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State nullification is the idea that the states can and must refuse to enforce unconstitutional federal laws.
http://www.libertyclassroom.com/nullific...
and He doesn't understand anything about patents yet writes about them.
Like the rest of von Mises group, doesn't understand property rights, how they arise, how they should be protected, the effect they have on the economy, etc.
But this article is good :)
Imagine if the Federal Government decided that any State with medical marijuana laws had to repel them or they were cutting off Medicaid.
After getting the majority of the States in line with their payments, now they are working on the people. While its easy to agree Federal spending is out of control, no one is willing to accept that their payment be cut.
Texas is the only 'conservative' State that would benefit from secession in a pay in/pay out tax ratio. While nullification is a much more reasonable course to take, they would first have to decide if they wished to make up the loss in Federal monies that could be taken away by implementing State taxes on a personal and corporate level. While you could argue they would need to do the same under secession, you must remember that under nullification it would be an 'additional' tax while under secession it would not show a 'visible' change to the people on their paycheck.
As for any other conservative State, either way they choose to go will place a hardship on both the State and its people. Of course the people who like their bribe could then move to another State.
If the 17th Amendment had not been added to the Constitution, we may never have reached the problems we have now. Once the ability of the people to elect both houses of the legislature, any power the State had was severely crippled. The takers can exert any and all influence for their benefit, while the State no longer has the ability to stand up against the Federal.
I have no doubt that any military personal who sided with the new country would be charged with desertion and probably treason. Due to the almost inevitable war, your other questions are moot. If the new nation won they would claim the spoils, if they lost they would undergo reconstruction and reeducation. If no war then perhaps the new nation could negotiate a purchase back or establish a treaty with the US.
Over the last several years I have participated in many debates on this subject and reviewed the history. You are quite right. Secession had it's legal standing and test destroyed at the time of the civil war. The nullification matter is also without prospect and only stands as a test of the federal will. For either to have any prospect it would have to be in concert with many states. The only potentially peaceful, expedient remedy for radical reformation would be a constitutional convention. This would require two thirds of the states legislatures and would, many fear, open a can of worms allowing for the probable progressive decimation of what is cherished in the document by the opposition. This could also spur the dissolution... It is a Hobson's choice...
Respectfully,
O.A.
It's interesting that following the Civil War, the Congress did not attempt to Constitutionally define those circumstances under which secession by States would be allowed.
Many believe we are moving towards secession once again. This time, however, it appears it will be about the civil rights of all Americans rather than that of a single minority.
No one believed in 1860 that it would happen and following the secession a sort of 'phony war' existed for six months during which no military action was initiated and no one really knew what to do.
It'll be fascinating to see how it rolls out this time.
We all know the 'official' history that it was the firing on the fort on April 12th by the South that was the first act. Another version is that the first act happened on December 26th of the previous year when Federal forces moved into the fort.
South Carolina believed they had a right to all properties contained within their State after secession, and demanded they be turned over. Of course, the US did not recognise this authority. Negotiations were taking place with Washington over how to handle the situation and South Carolina believed there was an agreement by both sides not to fortify positions by either side while they were in progress.
The move into Ft. Sumter six days after secession was viewed in violation of that agreement as Federal forces had previously been in Fort Moultrie. In response, South Carolina occupied the remaining empty Federal properties and took by force all others except Ft. Sumter that were occupied by Federal troops over the next 4 days. This included Fort Moultrie(empty), Fort Johnson(empty), the battery on Morris Island(empty). The fortification of Castle Pinckney was taken bloodlessly as well as the Federal arsenal in Charleston.
The first shot of the war was fired on Star of the West, a ship attempting to reach Ft. Sumter with supplies a week and a half later on January 9th. While it is listed as a civilian ship, it was hired by the US Government to transport supplies and troops to Ft. Sumter.
After Lincoln was sworn in on May 4th, the Confederacy sent delegations to offer payment for Federal properties and to enter peace treaties with the US. Lincoln refused to negotiate with them or recognise their authority. Instead he ordered that provisions be sent to Ft. Sumter by use of force if necessary. These ships started arriving at 3am on the 12th of April and South Carolina opened fire on Ft. Sumter at 4:30am.
So take your pick, was the first act of war the secession of the Southern States, the movement of Federal forces to Ft. Sumter, the bloodless attacks on other forts, batteries and arsenals by the South, the firing on the Star of the West or the cannon fire on Ft. Sumter.