I couldn't agree more on your bottom line. Good points too. In my opinion, there are way too many people who choose to live in fantasy. Anyways...

taxing is immoral in my opinion, because the gov't is in bed with the private banking cabal (fed reserve) and since the cabal provides all the monetary heroin the gov't wants; taxing the citizens is pointless, unless the goal of course, is to drag the citizens down (decrease competition ~ the Rockefeller goal) and make success & profit much harder.

In the video it starts with Garner saying something to he effect "Not again" and "I'm not taking it this time" or something to that effect (I Only saw it once and am working off memory. From this we can conclude that HE KNEW he was in violation of the law and he'd been warned other times and that he was trying to fly under the radar hoping not to come across the cops again. This explains why the police escalated things to the point of arrest. Garners "I'm not taking it this time" explains his victims mindset even though he was clearly and knowingly in violation of the law.

I think your quote takes it a bit far. I didn't watch the video's. I don't need to see people being shot.

The police need to be reigned in. But in this instance to chastise them for ensuring the law is kept seems ludicrous. As I said before, only Garner know his medical condition and only he could have prevented his death (but I'm sure he favored his victims outrage over his mortality).

Yes AJ, as I commented in another post: "Yes, and if I spent my life groveling on my knees and prostrating myself before anyone in a uniform I could stay safe...Oooop's, I just found some youtube of cellphone videos of people being shot and killed laying prone with handcuffs on. Damn, I thought I'd found the answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3obAbbx......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFz......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159PM7ZK......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSo37wpK......
I'm tired of watching these.

The corner has ruled that it was heart failure and not asphyxiation that killed him. He was over weight and asthmatic, the stress of the encounter and manhandling was too much for his body to tolerate.

He should have simply complied with the cops (right or wrong), taken his ticket/ride to the precinct and paid bail, went home to his wife, and had his day in court.

This was a entirely unnecessary waste of human life.

Yes. Yes. Even a stopped clock...

This had nothing to do with racism. It had to do with government theft and a stupid, stud muffin cop. But more importantly, it had to do with aggressive policing such that the penalty for obstinance and failure to comply carries penalties up to and including death.

Chokeholds are designed to not only restrict breathing, but more to restrict blood flow to the brain and cause unconsciousness and if held for just a few seconds too long, will result in death. If a person made unconscious from such a hold is not resuscitated immediately, it can often lead to permanent brain damage or death.

Been out of the Gulch way too long. Glad to see there are so many members. And yes, I am not a fan of Chris Rock but his U-Tube piece is spot-on.

Hello Ben_C,
Chris Rock rubs me the wrong way sometimes, but he can be right too.
Good to hear from you.
Happy holidays,
O.A.

Truer words were never spoken. I have been one of those 6 too many times... Have served as one of the 12 once too.

Chris Rock has a piece on U-Tube about "How Not to Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police." Too bad the dead guys missed this piece. My take is that the police should turn a blind eye to any African-Americans for a year and let them "do their thing." My suspicion is that the responsible African-Americans will protest louder than the current anti police protesters when their homes are robbed and their kids killed by the bad ones. Clearly the police would rather not deal with those who resist arrest. No arrests, no dead unarmed (or armed) black guys.

Thats called being a lawful citizen. There is a victims culture in the black community which, with the encouragement of agitators, promotes civil disobedience (even violent) whenever the opportunity presents itself, whether in the right or the wrong. Its a mob mentality, which is power the race-baiter's need to have influence.

Took the words out of my mouth. When do people ( of all skin colors) realize it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Not to excuse any of the other parties (Gov. or Police), but I don't understand the mentality of resisting arrest or being belligerent to police with guns and the legal use of force. Even if I was in the right, I would comply and live to have my day in court. That is what I was taught... how I was raised.

I could definitely see involuntary manslaughter.
Murder 1 is ridiculous.

Its a rough one to call. The root, at least as far as this guy was concerned, was that the tax on the cigarettes he was selling was immoral - which I somewhat agree. However, the reality is today there is a tax on items that people must pay to do business. Garner was in clear violation of that law regardless of whether he or I consider it immoral or not. When he decided to argue the point and refused to obey the police officers he escalated things. He, and not they, was aware of his medical status and only knew he that he was in no condition to have a physical altercation.

I agree, this is a senseless death caused by over-regulation. This man died, and was not killed or murdered, because of a 7-9% tax on a pack of cigarettes and the absence of a $25-$50 TPT licensee.

Its ridiculous. It not racially motivated. And no one is innocent in this. Yet, the race-baiter's and racially motivate hate mongers are already on the march.

I do think that NY Attorney General sought 1st degree murder because he knew it wouldn't stick. 2nd degree, involuntary manslaughter, may have brought this incident to a jury.

Ditto.

Very well said.

My opinion, Garner's death:
* is a tragedy,
* is typical of an overbearing government which feels that it must regulate everything,
* is an indicator of systemic oppression regardless of race,
* is an example adding credence to my concern that the government will make every misdemeanor a finable offense since it can no longer justify further taxation,
* is being manipulated by the Marxist faction of our Ruling Class to generate as much discontent as possible now that the Country Class is rejecting them electorally.

I'm not sure if I'm more on the side of you or your friend.
Should Garner have resisted arrest, probably not.
Should Garner have been arrested in the first place, probably not.