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I remember reading every word of Campbell's editorials when Analog came each month. There were times that I disagreed with what he said, but many more times that what he wrote made me think about ideas that school never touched on.
Thanks for the link. And for the interesting perspective that we are dealing with a class of Barbarians that has precipitated out of our culture to form a sediment...and drift to the bottom.
I lived through the Detroit riots. As a teen I was a soda-jerk at a drugstore on 12th street. Two blocks from where I worked was Rev. Franklin's church (Aretha's dad). 12th Street was destroyed. There is no more 12th street as it was then and likely will never be again.
I've finally found the essay, "Tribesman, Barbarian and Citizen" by John W. Campbell, the Godfather of science fiction, who was the guiding light of the golden age of science fiction. http://forums.theonering.com/viewtopic.p...
He's also the author of the essay I like to share called, "Hyperdemocracy".
Unfortunately, I can't find the sequel to "Tribesman, Barbarian, Citizen", called, "The Barbarians Among Us". In the latter essay, he points out how, in the Watts riots, most of the looters were white. He cites how one of the rioters proclaimed, "They're killing us!". He then points out that the rioter is NOT referring to blacks as a race, but barbarians as a cultural group.
America is divided. It is not evenly divided, and it is not along racial lines but along ideological lines. The mainstream media, even Fox, decry the inability of the government to "work together" to fix problems, but how can they when they are as opposite in their goals and views as black and white?
You have the collectivist slavers and their greedy moocher/looter adherents on the left, and you have the individualists and their productive conservatives on the right. Never the twain shall meet.
Obama did exactly what I expected he would do, fall back to his Saul Alinksy "Rules for Radicals" training, never let a good crisis go to waste, set race against race. It sure got him off the hook for some of his recent bone-headed actions. He has never cared about blacks, was raised as a spoiled brat by white grandparents. Blacks are people he uses to advance an agenda, as the Alinsky training taught him. If there is leadership in the black community, they should be objecting to the way they are used and stepping up on a daily basis to reclaim their children from drugs and thruggery.
You are so right khalling. I am a 12% minority (white) living in the Dominican Republic for 6 years. The Dominicans think the term African American is repugnant and don't understand why the blacks in America want to use the term. My wife and I are the only whites living on a street of 22 homes. The Dominicans would do anything to help us if needed and are wonderful friends. As we go to stores almost everyone greets you, if you make eye contact, with "buena" or "salud". and a big smile. They also get to laugh when we refer to ourselves as "Gringos" . The only racial tension is the Dominicans do not care for the Haitians as they invaded this country 19 times. Lastly, I am German and know where Germany is on a map, but am not a German American, but an American with a German heritage. So, "african american community" is a failed premise.
and here's Farrakhan yesterday:http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-nation-of-islams-farrakhan-stirs-up-ferguson-violence-with-profane-threats-to-america/
The powerful, the corrupt and criminals always turn on each other when there is no one else to loot. After they destroy the country they will destroy each other.
OK, with the humor aside, this isn't without precedence in the lame-stream media. I never would have known that Hispanic females had a special mystical quality for interpreting constitutional law, making them eminently qualified for SCOTUS above all peoples on the planet, if MSNBC and CNN hadn't told me so.
I agree, Mimi. Very good point about the mishandling immediately following the shooting. I'm not convinced how much difference handling the scene and the family perfectly would've done, though. Too many outside influences came flocking in to make sure that things got out of hand. Very frustrating situation.
I agree that the "leaders" wanted this to happen. I've been saying for some time that the division of race has become a big business. If it looks like we are all getting along then no one makes any money. This is the same concept as climate change. It's not science, it's a business that reaches religious/cult proportions.
I said the exact same thing. Looting was a sure thing. We've been trying to figure out how many TVs, cigarettes, and beer equals justice for one life. I'm sure there is a very accurate calculation.
There's another black man who was killed by a white officer in Milwaukee, way back in April. This happened to be a cop who was called to handle a mentally disturbed person. The cop tried to do a pat-down (saw bulges in the guy's pockets), and the guy grabbed his baton and started waling on the cop. The cop then took out his gun and fired, killing the guy. The police chief fired the cop, not for the killing - everyone agrees that was justified - but for conducting the pat-down in the first place. The coward DA is still stalling on whether the cop will be charged, even though the police chief has already said his actions were justified. My guess is this will happen soon, and be used by the antagonists to rally more riots in MKE.
I think this is all being done to foment more race based hatred and anger so that we can have another summer of rioting like in '69. That will be used as a reason to implement martial law.
Many media outlets just wish to fan the flames. For sensational pictures and stories of mayhem they would endanger more people and property. The criminals creating the mayhem, burning, looting, destruction and violence don't give a hoot about Michael Brown. It is pure opportunism for them. Some wish to justify their actions regardless of facts... Physical evidence or any contrary eyewitness evidence to the preferred narrative be damned. Feelings reign supreme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99nzyiS... The innocent upstanding citizens of the area will only be hurt by the picture painted, as if the criminals are representative of an entire population. It is unfortunate because the violence perpetrated by some will only feed the stereotypes that are undeserved by most.
Very good observations, Zen. I saw a lot of people engaging in opportunistic criminal theft and destruction on various broadcasts. The motivations were likely many, but you're right about not all 'leaders' calling a crime a crime.
Putting aside any 'rightness or wrongness' on the grand jury's decision, I've seen this play out a dozen or so times starting with the Watts Riots of the mid-60's. The goals of the rioters are simple destruction, and that's destruction of what they don't own since they really don't own anything - their housing, appliances, food, day care, on and on are paid for and provided to them by the rest of us. Why should they take care of somebody else's things?
What amazes me is that we (the public in general) fall for the nonsense that riots like this are based on anything other than opportunity or that there exists causes and reasons for such actions that we could better handle. If a significant portion of any population has a general relationship with the government of 'Daddy/Mommy' and don't have a need that drives them to emotionally mature, they're are going to take every opportunity to throw a 'hissy' and challenge 'Daddy/Mommy' just like an immature child. Treat them like a spoiled child, they'll react like a spoiled child (brat).
As well, there exist thousands in and out of government that make their living and career purpose of being that part of the population's 'Daddy/Mommy' (Jackson, Obama, Sharpton, the media press, etc) and need to maintain, even increase, the public's viewpoint that they are needed. Every reason to see the riot, no reason to help prevent it.
How can Objectivist not see the reality of this type of nonsense?
Here's the text to Hyperdemocracy, just to be inclusive:
http://www.xtimports.com/text/Hyperdemoc...
Thanks for the link. And for the interesting perspective that we are dealing with a class of Barbarians that has precipitated out of our culture to form a sediment...and drift to the bottom.
Jan
http://forums.theonering.com/viewtopic.p...
He's also the author of the essay I like to share called, "Hyperdemocracy".
Unfortunately, I can't find the sequel to "Tribesman, Barbarian, Citizen", called, "The Barbarians Among Us". In the latter essay, he points out how, in the Watts riots, most of the looters were white. He cites how one of the rioters proclaimed, "They're killing us!". He then points out that the rioter is NOT referring to blacks as a race, but barbarians as a cultural group.
You have the collectivist slavers and their greedy moocher/looter adherents on the left, and you have the individualists and their productive conservatives on the right. Never the twain shall meet.
You ever try moving 300lbs of dead weight?
FREE WILLIE!
(yes, extremely disrespectful... thuggish bullies deserve disrespect).
OK, with the humor aside, this isn't without precedence in the lame-stream media. I never would have known that Hispanic females had a special mystical quality for interpreting constitutional law, making them eminently qualified for SCOTUS above all peoples on the planet, if MSNBC and CNN hadn't told me so.
If the Grand Jury did Indict it would be a "Yay the cop got indicted riot"
Since the Grand Jury did not indict now its a "Boo the cop didn't get indicted riot"
Either way there is a riot and the eaters loot and burn.
I think this is all being done to foment more race based hatred and anger so that we can have another summer of rioting like in '69. That will be used as a reason to implement martial law.
The innocent upstanding citizens of the area will only be hurt by the picture painted, as if the criminals are representative of an entire population. It is unfortunate because the violence perpetrated by some will only feed the stereotypes that are undeserved by most.
What amazes me is that we (the public in general) fall for the nonsense that riots like this are based on anything other than opportunity or that there exists causes and reasons for such actions that we could better handle. If a significant portion of any population has a general relationship with the government of 'Daddy/Mommy' and don't have a need that drives them to emotionally mature, they're are going to take every opportunity to throw a 'hissy' and challenge 'Daddy/Mommy' just like an immature child. Treat them like a spoiled child, they'll react like a spoiled child (brat).
As well, there exist thousands in and out of government that make their living and career purpose of being that part of the population's 'Daddy/Mommy' (Jackson, Obama, Sharpton, the media press, etc) and need to maintain, even increase, the public's viewpoint that they are needed. Every reason to see the riot, no reason to help prevent it.
How can Objectivist not see the reality of this type of nonsense?
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