GHBs?

So were a lot of Picasso's 'body images'...
Your point =?
:)

I agree with all of the above comments. To say people should have gaps in their careers and not lose earning power is to say that their counterparts (regardless of sex) who stayed in the workforce learned nothing on the job. This is absurd.

Also, it would be hypocritical for me to condemn some moderate level of crassness among men of science.

No one is asking you to defend it.
You comment on mine, I comment on yours... am I missing something?
That is your choice. However, thank you for taking the time to do so.

As far as support my comments, about the secondary role of women, history supports my declaration. Look at your grandmother, your mother, your sisters, your friends... Maybe you are one of the lucky ones and never witnessed this kind of discrimination.

What does unfairness or discrimination ( as in the example you quote above) have to do with decorum? A turtleneck instead of a tie is not on the same level as this originating thread.
I do not think anyone that has proffered an opinion against the "shirt" is either overlooking the credits of the individual wearing it or is trying to establish a dress code. Trying to demean another's opinion, as seen in many comments in this thread by insinuating something never intended is disingenuous.

While I am completely on the side of db, I remain contrary to the "shirt" debacle.

well first of all, the women were not naked on the shirt.
"As if the men have nothing to do with this decision. That men carry on with their careers at the same time they are also fathers while the women are seen as secondary to their careers because they have taken time to have a child. Why does a father get to further his career while a mother has to put on hold her career?"
let's start with this biological fact: men cannot breastfeed. Women are highly empowered in the decision to have children. To say otherwise, well , is not real. everything is a risk and people make decisions on risks and on performance. However, if you have gaps in your career due to child bearing and rearing, that can affect your salary and job prospects. the answer is WORK FOR YOURSELF! not pass laws or shame people into coming down a few pegs to catch back with you. I do not have to defend every comment made on my post. As to your last statement: it is fraught with emotion and no fact. Give me an example. You "feel" your opinion rather than support it logically.

While your words sound correct, and represent a reality, underneath the reality that you reference courses a fundamental truth that women are penalized for having children...
As if the men have nothing to do with this decision. That men carry on with their careers at the same time they are also fathers while the women are seen as secondary to their careers because they have taken time to have a child. Why does a father get to further his career while a mother has to put on hold her career? Why is one parent punished and the other rewarded or at least not demoted? Are these not fundamental discrepancies?
Perhaps, because society still holds this stigma against women. Perhaps, because historically women were always paid less than men (even for the same job), therefore their job was the one to be jeopardized. Perhaps, because how you stated you think, that a woman in her child bearing years gets second consideration for an important position...
MikeM has hit the nail on the head... thank you.

Unfortunately, this thread started taking on a different life of its on and now is tending towards a completely different subject.

The shirt could have had "f...k you" in various languages written all over it and my response, along with several others, would have been the same... no decorum, no manners. Period.

I would like to see this scenario reversed: a woman wearing a shirt covered with naked bodies of men, exposed in all their glory... Maybe making a political speech, or a dean of some university, etc., or in the company of her husband/boyfriend... how many attacks would she have generated?
As to the comments made in the gulch on "...women will never understand male sexuality..." Well, all I can say is you must have never had a real woman. And, furthermore, how many men understand a woman's sexuality- or does this not exist? " I think he protests too much" as Shakespeare would say.

I am curious, though, to the strong, overt reaction that this thread caused. There is definitely reason to ponder just how far into Atlantis one can get with such elemental lack of respect.

nonsense. I will never bow to a monarch, for instance. Did Dr. Taylor in any way say something offensive or inappropriate? I remember when db took his first law job-downtown Chicago. He walked to the train station a few blocks away, took the train downtown. He then exited the station, walking 6-7 blocks over a bridge-yes, THAT bridge to get to his building. That year, a huge arctic snap had us in 2 digit below zero temperatures for two weeks. One day, he decided to wear a wool turtleneck instead of a dress suit and tie to work. He got to the office and shortly thereafter, a junior partner strolled in and asked him where his tie was. Now funny thing-db asked back-"where's yours?" He sputtered and stammered and said "you know I have a back problem and can't wear ties!" He stormed out. About 1/2 hour later a managing partner came in. "where's your tie, scooter?" and db's response-"where's yours?" you see, the managing partner had a girthy neck and always came into the office, removing his tie and jacket and rolled up his sleeves. The partner stormed into the sr. managing partner's office. This partner had been giving db the tough electrical and software patent cases to work on. He logged more hours than any associate. There was some discussion behind closed doors and no one ever bothered him again. One of the reasons we left the midwest and moved to the west was because decorum calcifies productivity in many cases. Db just wanted to be warm. Ask Apple, ask Google, ask Dr. Taylor

and this study:
"They find that lower grades lead to lower persistence, and that this effect is stronger for women. As it is generally true that STEM field departments are the most difficult grading departments at most colleges, this finding could also play a large role in the under-representation of women in STEM field majors, and their higher rates of attrition from the major following matriculation."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...

Mr. Vido:
Decorum is never wrong.

whose feelings get hurt over a shirt or truckers Betty Boop stickers on their bumpers? more people need to grow balls besides the feminazis

So there is some accounting on the proportion of females in science jobs ? You want to force women to do jobs they don't like, at the expense of men who work their ass off to have a chance to join the field ? Why should there be less jobs for men in a domain where they are obviously better than women ? This kind of cultural terrorism is how US is rapidly becoming a third rate country. Go ahead and proceed on the path of decadence.

Yet another group of professional victims

Does anyone else remember that it was Jane Fonda in Barbarella.

You know no one was watching for her political views.

Maybe we can start a "Masculinists" group and start holding "hotties" accountable for not going out with nerds. I mean really? They are just looking for Brad Pitt?

Most of the feminists I know, especially the loud ones, are... let's just say "not exactly beauty contest material." Which leads me to believe their real motivation is "sour grapes" because they aren't getting any.

I always tell it in the Wicked Witch's screech!

One more case of the Streisand Effect (look it up on Wikipedia).

Horse hockey. Hurt feelings aren't damage. Anyone offended by a shirt like this simply needs to grow up. The ridiculous federal regulations that define "sexual harassment" are both unconstitutional and morally wrong on their face.

Thanks, Commander.

I'm pulling for you pal. The first thing I noticed when opening "their" website....."PRE-ORDER".
Another "F"ing disclaimer of performance.

psst. I'm agreeing with you. :)

he's a sci-fi geek. Who knows what his politics are? If he becomes so influential that he begins to change government policy (like Musk, Gates, Soros, and Bizos) then we may look deeper. But right now, he was just whipped into submission by some mean ass dominatrix bitches who have an agenda

The shirt- it is offensive and the wearing of it is an aggressive act against any viewer and especially his sponsors showing contempt for other people now the wearer thinks he is famous. It is so bad that the pictures of women on it makes it neither better nor worse.
Judge on his character, exactly, loud and crass.
There may be appropriate occasions for that shirt so no blame can be put on the designer.
The complaint about the shirt being sexist -or whatever the in-word is now- shows the complainer is also an attention seeker and is likely to have perceived and real inferiority.
[any remarks about- bigger fools, shut up]
There are women who discriminate against women- if this anecdote is data it may be evidence of inferior judgment of that type of person.
" the old-fashioned gentleman’s insistence on protecting a woman from physical work and physical risk."
This quote is wrong, the word 'woman' should be 'lady'. In the days of ladies and gentlemen, women's work was often dirty and dangerous. On a journey by carriage, the gentleman would assist the lady in and out but a servant woman would be strapped to an outside board.
In my motor mechanic's office there is a new bookkeeper, there used to be the usual pics on the wall opposite and maybe embarrassing to a female bookkeeper, Now there are pics of male backsides. Have not worked out the correct response yet, could be either blushing or LOL.

this is ridiculous! Now you've tied the shirt to rape and male bondage fetishes.I'm surprised you're not complaining about the ray guns