Feminists Attack Renowned Scientist Who Just Helped Land A Spacecraft On A Comet

Posted by khalling 9 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    why the ad hominem. I think it's pretty obvious that the mission is considered important in space science. It is the first time this has been done for instance, and took years to get it in position to even do. Only time will tell regarding the importance of the data they have collected in this first phase. Here is one of the project managers interviewed in 2010. Note her comments on having a family:
    http://rosetta.jpl.nasa.gov/news/claudia...
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  • Posted by wdg3rd 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    :Broads" was Vaughn's title for the portfolio of art the tshirts were based on. I bought them from his widow and son at the 1984 World Science Fiction Convention. You might want to google Vaughn Bode. A fine artist, died too young. His son continues his legacy. (I'm also a fan of Damon Runyon, but you probably wouldn't approve his use of the term "dolls" either).
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hugh Hefner's success was appropriate for the time and place. Bringing _Playboy_ to work is inappropriate. No one complained about Dr. Taylor's tattoos. Perhaps I missed something here, but did you post an essay here in The Gulch on the orbital mechanics of the feat?

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  • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Broads? Really? I wouldn't call myself a feminist, but I know where that word comes from and I don't think you would dare use it in my physical presence... I think Mike is promoting a little "think a little before you speak" which is always wise and logical.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What if you do not have a beautiful body, but do have a beautiful mind? How do you put that on a shirt? And the bodies on the shirt, while colorful, are not beautiful, but grotesque.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cartoons of females with disproportionate features go back to the Paleolithic "Venus" figures. But we are not paleolithic creatures. The story of the Sabine Women demonstrates that rape can be a successful reproductive strategy. You cannot excuse that as "normal male sexuality" today, even if it was 2500 years ago.

    The story of Abraham and Isaac is not isolated, but common across the world. Sacrificing your children - especially the first born male - was supposed to bring favor from the gods. As for Sarah and Hagar, they did not get to write the books. If we are to leave the planet, we must leave quite a bit of our history here, and write a story.

    I do not find the cartoonish, disproportionate females attractive. I do question whether a bondage fetish is "normal" male sexuality.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In this particular case, I submit the feminist journalist had an agenda, one that is strikingly shared by the media companies which pay her to write articles. It is a weak woman indeed, who is so offended by iconic illustrations of 40s-60s sci-fi movies and book jackets, that she cowers in the corner and refuses to work in her chosen field of study. One of teams under the main project was indeed headed by a woman scientist. No, this journalist went out of her way to grab onto his spotlight and shine it on her "cause." First rate moocher.
    "...but a hostile job market and chilly graduate programs are keeping them from achieving their goals..." There is no evidence for this conclusion and frankly has no one considered the fact that many graduate students marry and have children? Anecdotal, perhaps, but if I was running a lab and a key member of my graduate team needs to take maternity leave during an important deadline-or I am looking to promote within my company an excellent female candidate who is clearly on the track to have 3 children over the next decade, it may affect my decision. It may be against the law, but facts are facts. Women accept jobs everyday when they are pregnant, do not disclose it to their employer until after they are hired and not only take maternity leave but often have difficulty giving 100% to their jobs while raising small children. It's a fact of life, unless they have a partner who is either stay at home dad or has a flexible schedule. Of course part of the feminist's agenda is make sure women remain in the workforce, even if there is a home life cost. and before you go off on me about that, I completely understand and admire working mothers' challenges. I was one. I am also not saying good old boy working environments don't exist. But a whole class of people are not being shamed out of working in science over the realities of working for a bad boss or two. That happens to EVERYONE.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you care that he is a collectivist? We all salute scientific progress, from Sputnik to the Lunakhod to Mir. Now the Chinese are moving forward and starting to colonize space. I am happy enough, but I do have serious problems with their political system. We have Objectivist comrades working for NASA. That does not imply an endorsement for public funding of the projects. By contrast, we denounce Elon Musk, Jeff Bizos, George Soros and Bill Gates. Why not just cheer their achievements and ignore their political beliefs. Matt Taylor wore his beliefs on his shirt.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Experimental evidence indicates that women face a tax in the science careeer pipeline, which likely suppresses their numbers.z' -- http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2012/09/2...

    “Females have made up nearly half of the science classes I’ve taken ever since [high school], right up through graduate school.” But although 40% of her peers are women only two of the grads and post docs who deliver seminars are women. “Here’s what really made me feel awful: I didn’t notice this lack of women speakers for over a year. … If I’ve interacted with women working in science across the world, across cultures, and religions, how could I fail to notice their absence right here at home?” SHE'S SUCH A GEEK in the Gulch here. http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/2b...
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I stepped up. "Thumbs down for the lack of fact checking and the many problems with sexually objectifying women…" Perhaps the other people who disapproved did not want to be harassed, to have someone go through all their posts and downpoint them, as has happened. I get them occasionally, of course. We all do. The Gulch is not a freewheeling fandango of individualists. We have a common culture; and those who stray from the folkways are punished with disapproval. Look at this thread. If the topic post has gotten down votes; and if my post have gotten one or two ups, then, obviously, I am not the only one here who believes that the shirt was offensive. (I see JCLanier's post below.) However, no one else posts opinions in this thread. No one likes being harassed. And we will discuss "Gamer Gate" later.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nobody downgraded the accomplishment. They only complained about the shirt. This was not a simple matter of a striped shirt with plaid pants. "That correlates well with blind studies reported on this blog (http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2012/09/2...), October 2 showing that in university science laboratories, even women managers discriminate against female applicants. Moreover the male attitudes that have not changed include a deeper problem of condescension, the old-fashioned gentleman’s insistence on protecting a woman from physical work and physical risk. (“The Dress,” by Diana Husmann.) -- http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/2012/...
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just because the victims do not complain does not mean that no harm was done. It is well known that he abused do not speak up against their attackers. Your assaults at Unisys went unchallenged. Unisys management also should have been held accountable. Again, we know for a fact that those who are insulted and assaulted often do not speak up or retaliate or seek legal redress in a court of law. The harms were done, nevertheless.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We can discuss "Gamer Gate" in a separate thread. A lot needs to be said. You are literally correct: "there is no organized campaign to harass women out of the video-game industry." An organized campaign is not necessary because the prejudice, fear, and hatred run deep in many men.

    I "get" the shirt - and it would be OK at ComicCon, where it would be "e pluribus unum" just another one out of very many, male, female, and whatever else is in time and space. The shirt was inappropriate for the workplace, especially NASA, most especially when they were drawing news media to them.

    "The editors note that in 2001, “56% of bachelor degrees in science and engineering went to women, but women hold only 25 percent of jobs in science and engineering. More women than men are graduating in the sciences but a hostile job market and chilly graduate programs are keeping them from achieving their goals.” -- In the Gulch here: http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/2b...
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
    Oh, forgot.. maybe it was his lucky "landing on a comet" shirt, they probably would really be weirded out to know he hadn't changed out his lucky underwear from 10 years ago when they launched it....
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
    This was an amazing feat, millions of miles away, landing on a tiny spec of mass, and some goobers are worried about his shirt? Really? The guy appears to be a little eccentric, his shirt is classic 50's sci fi artwork, he has tats all over his arm, so what? He is a member of a team that executed probably one of the most difficult space maneuvers you can imagine. Get off the shirt and go bother Hugh Hefner...
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ... and the awful idea that her opinions might reflect the views of '50% of the world's population.'...
    utter mindlessness.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Healthy people of all flavors enjoy beautiful bodies of all flavors... and even those that are 'only beautiful in the eye of the beholder...'
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah...I knew that was the timeline you were referring to, opposed to the one that you have on your kitchen bulletin board next to your white board grocery list.... which, by the way, only has "wine" written on it in large caps and underscored 3 times.
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