I'm pretty sure a compromise would be on the side of evil. So.. no.

lol

I agree. There are responsibilities that go with living in a republic.

I'd pick the pie, but that's just me

I have a hard time buying the glass tilted at a 30 degree angle and women drawing the water level surface parallel to the "bottom" of the glass. Unless I do not understand the scenario, the "bottom" of the glass changes to the tilted side of the glass. are you suggesting women have the mentality of 5 year olds?

You are very right about responsibility and correct in bringing both sides(?) into accountability. I'm afraid I might have over-reacted to the inclusion of children in the discussion. I'm fairly new to this group and have yet to fit into some of the humor on the site, though I do enjoy it.

But on the other hand, I find much merit in BambiB's voicing of what so many think, but fear to speak. I'm not a misogynist to any degree, though my life experience has provided an understanding of the differences between women (in general) and men (in general). As both a libertarian and obectivist, I'm really interested in trying to understand a way(s) to bring those differences to solutions to problems facing both sexes.

By the way, thanks for responding.

KYFHO

In your scenario regarding home life, can you explain further. because it seems like you're saying, it's alright for women to be irrational as long as they remain in the home child rearing and leave the important things-bread winning and perhaps voting to the men. Even if I go with that line of reasoning-where is the rational critical thinking developed for the children? The bottom line is men and women are both genetically capable of rational self interest. Period.
Now to your african american breeding genetic nonsense. Against every measurable criteria, the key component in prosperity across race is economic freedom. Slavery has always existed-there is no unique stamp to the genetics of African American slaves and the brain capable of rational thought Now your second point regarding government policies having more impact on the economic prosperity of blacks in the US has validity. I would say forced busing played a huge role in the breakdown of black social communities. But I certainly agree that minorities taking advantage of public housing placed in urban centers reliant on public transportation and limited job opportunities especially for low skilled workers further caused a break down of the family structure which does result in children growing up learning to rely on emotions rather than critical thinking. There is a post in here somewhere discussing this phenomenon that goes across all race lines. The example cited is Caucasians raised in Hells Kitchen turn of last century. The men had to leave the slum to find work and often they were gone from "home" weeks and months at a time. In the meantime, there was promiscuity and eventually the removal of male affection and obligation to the family. This is result of bad urban planning more than racial tendencies. but go ahead and start a new post on these topics.

I don't agree that women are solely to blame. In the current Senate there are 53 Democrats; 16 Democrat women, which my mathematically impaired brain says leaves 37 Democrat men. Those Democrats are all in lock step with the prez, so who gives him the most votes for his agenda?

well the problem might be solved if men got off their lazy asses and actually voted. In 1964, 71.5% of voting males voted. In 2004 that percentage was down to 56%

I've met just as many airhead men as women. I call it the good ol' boy syndrome- slapping each other on the back and heading to the links to discuss...wait for it....the last game and when the next game is. they can't take serious discussions because they work hard all week and this is down time. they'll talk about it later because they'd better get to mowing the lawn or the wife will get stirred up...

Thanks for the answer BambiB. The question was a bit rhetorical, but I'm surprised to find someone with so many of my own thoughts on the issues discussed in this thread, particularly one that's so unabashed in voicing the issues. Looks like you've done quite a bit more research than I, but we both have similar views.

Other research includes a paper done from the University of Michigan in the late 70's to mid 80"s by a female PhD candidate researching the evolutionary pressures that caused the major differences in the female/male world view and even delved into some of the 250 or so physical differences, including brain structure.

In the mid 80's, a pair of female psychologist in Portland, OR gave a very interesting seminar type of presentation for men (actively protested by NOW) with the lead in of: Are you tired of always being 'wrong' when talking with your wife, your secretary, your daughter (paraphrased)_ that I got to attend, that addressed many of the same issues as they impacted social interactions of today. About the unhappiness so many 20 to 40 year women in the types of relationships they were told by the women's movement to look for. About the mistakes men made in trying to be the type of man that they were told to be. Bottom line - listen to women in your life, but don't act on it, ie don't cry when a whale is killed. Continue to be a male in the interaction and the women find themselves happier.

Some of my own thoughts are that socialism/communism is necessary and works within the basic family unit of a father(bread winner), mother(home care and child care), and children(growing and needy), but never really works outside of that defined unit. Women, biologically and evolution-wise, are naturally drawn into that type of ism, but few can differentiate the need to alter that outlook when looking at things outside of that unit.

Although I've had a few friendships and work relations with blacks that were individually rewarding and close, I believe very much as you when it comes to the 400 to 500 years of controlled breeding programs that were designed to exaggerate the genes desired for the owner's desires and benefit (much as has been done for horses, dogs, other farm and work animals) but not necessarily to fit into today's societal structure. Combined with that is the nation's destruction of black social structure and achievement, engineered by what was probably(?) well-meant programs, to urbanize so much of that population into free project and subsidized housing, and single parent support, beginning in the 50's and particularly the 60's and 70's. It has essentially stopped many of the economical and social advances made by blacks during the first half of the century and has turned that community into what it is today.

I fear that we find ourselves in the unenviable side of the politically correct nature of today. But bravo for your willingness to discuss the taboo.

It might be interesting to start a thread with the assumption that much of the above is true and ask what are rational Objective thoughts/solutions. Don't know, it might be a war.

KYFHO

I wasn’t. Hirahgm just needs to find a special redhead and he’ll be fine.

I don’t know, Hiraghm. Women are patient, but not necessarily tolerate. If he is rich AND he slaps a muzzle on....maybe.

No. I threw the word “State" in by accident. I was tired and pissed. Good catch, Hiraghm. My point was that women had the vote early on when this country was founded. Had they left the New Jersey law alone, setting the example for others to follow, the woman’s right to vote wouldn’t have languished until several points of serious contention in society came to a head. The women’s suffrage ran head on with child-labor, poor working conditions, unsafe housing, political corruption, poverty, then the early socialist labor unions --all these things served to synergies the women’s suffrage movement. My point was women wouldn’t have taken on such radical political views (for the time) had they been allowed to vote all along.

I've been having the "women think" discussions for years with my husband...this is nothing new to me. It started over gun control (this is going back 30 years and I was young then and lived in a bubble). I always had more guy friends than girl friends because so many girls are petty and air heads and don't realize their brains are for thinking and should be used. Messed up priorities (we can go into the Princess Syndrome that Fathers encourage but I won't go there other than to say my Dad had 5 girls and we didn't think of ourselves as Princesses)...
I agree that the voters are not mentally equipped to vote reasonably but that problem is way way bigger than females. Gotta go to work.

Are you positing that seeing one of a pair, you need to see the second? I'll have to disagree. There are boobies that are barely there and there are boobies that are everywhere. Those are the ones where one is enough. The ones in between, ahhh, those are the ones which (peak, pique, peek) my interest and are my choices for signposts.

We're ALLOWED to discuss things outside AR's philosophy.
And men should take some responsibility for what happens when they get between someone's legs too. That was my point. BambiB was blaming everything on women (I mentioned he made some points), but in some cases it takes men getting involved in the mix with these women and their messes. Believe you me, I am not excusing ANY of them from anything. Idiots...all of 'em.