I'm almost done with Acts of Faith now. It says the targets don't even need to have a persecution complex. It's that their parents live in an enclave of people for their old country who maintain the old culture. Their kids are caught between the old culture and the one they're living in. They are looking to be strong and have a place in their world. The extremists offer them this.
I am a Member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints. My church practiced (note pass tense) polygamy for several years. Often on when on site and the questions "Are you Mormon?" and "Don't you practice polygamy in your church?" come up I would joke around about having multiple wives.
Well, one of the kinda scary muslims pulled me aside and started a conversation with "How do you get the women to go for it in the US, I would like more wives but how do you do it?"
Well that resulted in a rather uncomfortable conversation about how I was joking around and do not really have multiple wives. He was looking for someone from the Fundamentalist LDS church (FLDS) not the LDS church.. bla bla. I never joked about it again with people.
I have worked with several muslims over the years. Most are good people, that do not subscribe to the death by the sword crap, though there was one in particular that I found to be scary, and a second scared me for another reason.
All are not looking for the 72 virgins in the afterlife. Many just want to live there life in peace. Now I would also add that I think most of the Muslims that I have been around do not fully understand the religion, because the nuts that are after the 72 virgins are more in line with the hard core nature of the Muslim faith.
We need to declare war on the ideology that the more radical extreme of there faith practice. It needs to be official, and have a detailed goal that the war is over when that goal is achieved.
That war can be fought many ways, but must be declared and with a clear goal. Take WWII which had congress declare war and with the clear goal of taking the Germans and Japanese out of the fight. Where is such a declaration of the war of the last 50 years, or the cold war before it. The Iraq and Afgan wars, the Korean war... basically everything we have been in since WWII has had no goal, some have had declaration of war but no terms for success.
How do we expect to fight a battle that has no definition of what we plan to achieve.
Its like sinking all your savings into a new business with no business plan or product, but going out and renting the office building space and retail space and then hiring a few people and telling them find something to do in the empty buildings. That is exactly what are doing now with the undeclared, unconstitutional war we are fighting.
Agreed completely. If we want to stop it we have to fight it, and fully fight it. Fight it to win with a full willingness to blow away anyone that shelters them, gives aid to them.... no hold bared declaration of war is required with a stated goal that is aggressive, or simply do not fight them. Either or, but not something inbetween
That's why they have never stopped, why each time it's worse than the prior. Because we have shown weakness, and they exploit it again and again. Because it's been allowed.
They're coming at us on our own turf and we're respecting their right to religion? I think being a threat to us BECAUSE of their religion hates our religion trumps something.
I have worked with a few Muslim people that were really good people also one that was scary. All could be defined as extremists.
I could be an extremist as well. I am an extremist by the dictionary definition
extremist ex·trem·ist [ik-stree-mist] 1. a person who goes to extremes, especially in political matters. 2. a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.
adjective 3. belonging or pertaining to extremists.
http://Dictionary.com Unabridged | Collins World English Dictionary extremist (ɪkˈstriːmɪst)
— n 1. a person who favours or resorts to immoderate, uncompromising, or fanatical methods or behaviour, esp in being politically radical
— adj 2. of, relating to, or characterized by immoderate or excessive actions, opinions, etc
I am very uncompromising on principles that I knew to be true/correct until someone proves otherwise at which point I evaluate and change my knowledge of truth and am very extreme to that knowledge. Any compromise with evil makes you evil. I hope we are all extremists; extremists with the ability to learn and think.
That word should be a positive thing to be, not a negative. Its good for people to have principles and adhere to them, if they do they are extremists.
The correct question to me is what does a person believe in, have faith in or have confidence in being correct? That motivational force is what they should be extreme about, and if its getting 72 virgins by killing the infidel, well that is a belief/faith/confidence that I cannot abide to have around.
You declare war against that belief with the intent to wipe it out, or you do not fight it. A battle half fought is worse than one not fought at all.
I agree, but until we make a formal declaration of war as the constitution requires we have no business doing anything like this here.
They declared war repeatedly for about the last 50 years or so, we never declared it back, we just lean back and take the punches but never really go after them in return.
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I am a Member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints. My church practiced (note pass tense) polygamy for several years. Often on when on site and the questions "Are you Mormon?" and "Don't you practice polygamy in your church?" come up I would joke around about having multiple wives.
Well, one of the kinda scary muslims pulled me aside and started a conversation with "How do you get the women to go for it in the US, I would like more wives but how do you do it?"
Well that resulted in a rather uncomfortable conversation about how I was joking around and do not really have multiple wives. He was looking for someone from the Fundamentalist LDS church (FLDS) not the LDS church.. bla bla. I never joked about it again with people.
All are not looking for the 72 virgins in the afterlife. Many just want to live there life in peace. Now I would also add that I think most of the Muslims that I have been around do not fully understand the religion, because the nuts that are after the 72 virgins are more in line with the hard core nature of the Muslim faith.
We need to declare war on the ideology that the more radical extreme of there faith practice. It needs to be official, and have a detailed goal that the war is over when that goal is achieved.
That war can be fought many ways, but must be declared and with a clear goal. Take WWII which had congress declare war and with the clear goal of taking the Germans and Japanese out of the fight. Where is such a declaration of the war of the last 50 years, or the cold war before it. The Iraq and Afgan wars, the Korean war... basically everything we have been in since WWII has had no goal, some have had declaration of war but no terms for success.
How do we expect to fight a battle that has no definition of what we plan to achieve.
Its like sinking all your savings into a new business with no business plan or product, but going out and renting the office building space and retail space and then hiring a few people and telling them find something to do in the empty buildings. That is exactly what are doing now with the undeclared, unconstitutional war we are fighting.
I could be an extremist as well. I am an extremist by the dictionary definition
extremist ex·trem·ist [ik-stree-mist]
1. a person who goes to extremes, especially in political matters.
2. a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.
adjective
3. belonging or pertaining to extremists.
http://Dictionary.com Unabridged
|
Collins World English Dictionary
extremist (ɪkˈstriːmɪst)
— n
1. a person who favours or resorts to immoderate, uncompromising, or fanatical methods or behaviour, esp in being politically radical
— adj
2. of, relating to, or characterized by immoderate or excessive actions, opinions, etc
I am very uncompromising on principles that I knew to be true/correct until someone proves otherwise at which point I evaluate and change my knowledge of truth and am very extreme to that knowledge. Any compromise with evil makes you evil. I hope we are all extremists; extremists with the ability to learn and think.
That word should be a positive thing to be, not a negative. Its good for people to have principles and adhere to them, if they do they are extremists.
The correct question to me is what does a person believe in, have faith in or have confidence in being correct? That motivational force is what they should be extreme about, and if its getting 72 virgins by killing the infidel, well that is a belief/faith/confidence that I cannot abide to have around.
You declare war against that belief with the intent to wipe it out, or you do not fight it. A battle half fought is worse than one not fought at all.
They declared war repeatedly for about the last 50 years or so, we never declared it back, we just lean back and take the punches but never really go after them in return.
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