The University of Oslo bans Islamist extremist group

Posted by Non_mooching_artist 11 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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If they can do this, why can anyone here grow some and do the same??


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  • Posted by Wonky 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes.

    Facts:
    1. Ayn Rand is the "why" underlying our acquaintance (SHE, is the source of the integration of philosophy, or, if you prefer, the source of the integrated philosophy around which we gather here to openly debate the state of the union).

    2. LetsShrug and khalling are the most active contributors to this forum.

    3. None of the aforementioned women utilize feminism (primarily, or even secondarily) to advance their causes. They use reason and integrity to argue their points in spite of the potential ease of degrading themselves by wielding PC anti-sexism as a means to their ends.

    The repugnant nature of Islamic fundamentalism is hardly even tertiarily sexist. That it is collectivist and totalitarian are the reasons it is our enemy. So too, is Communism (responsible for taking the lives of over 100,000,000 individuals over the last century) our enemy. Conceding to the PC anti-anti-Communist or anti-anti-Islam interpretation of history is unforgivable to anyone afforded the current, partially stifled, rights of a US citizen.

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  • Posted by 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The definitely skirted the worst elements of it, but they still banned the group. It's a start. We are so afraid of looking intolerant in this country, that we forgot where we left our morals along the way. Certain ideologies are cruel in their very makeup. To tolerate them condones their repugnant nature.
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  • Posted by MrsRK 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's exactly how my husband--who has Irish and German ancestry--feels. He is AMERICAN. Period.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Myself, as well. I'm an American. Simple, true. I don't feel the need to include any other part of my ancestry. My family immigrated to this country. They became American citizens. Thus it is what I am.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As she's your "better half" (by this I presume you mean your wife), it is to be expected that you do battle on her behalf, and vice versa.

    But, the males-without-testicles who amuse me are the ones who see me treat a woman as an equal man and step in to protect and defend her to the point of threats of violence.

    Completey unaware of the doublethink necessary for them to regard women as "equal" and yet requiring masculine protection from other men.

    In particular I find it amusing because it's almost always a verbal battle (I don't hit girls because I don't hit people), and anyone who's known a female verbal combatant knows that women need no protection in that arena. Some of the most horrible comments I've heard have come from incensed women in an argument.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Femininity expressed by men is a sign of weakness to other men. (more of that "instinct" stuff some people say we don't have <cough>).

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you agree with banning extremist groups form public universities? Therefore people will pay for universities from whence they are banned with their tax dollars.

    Who should do the banning, in the case of private universities? The university board of trustees, or the local, State or federal government?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "certain standards"? Who decides?

    "Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something.
    "Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that over again, too. Who decides?" - Robert A. Heinlein

    Once upon a time, within my lifetime, a 'certain standard' of conduct demanded that one not date outside of one's own race. In spite of the media propaganda, such racism was *not* reserved to the province of a small, ignored minority; if it was, the civil rights movement would never have been necessary.

    Should we stick to that standard of conduct?
    "A woman's place is in the home"
    "It's a man's moral responsibility to provide for his family"
    These were 'certain standards' at one time. Which ones should we impose on the population, and which ones should we "allow" them to adopt or dismiss?

    Someone once said that it's the speech we hate that most needs protection. I maintain that speech, in the form of with whom we choose to do business, needs such protection.

    ""Are we to understand that if the public deems it necessary to curtail your profits, you do not recognise its right to do so?"
    "Why, yes, I do. The public may curtail my profits any time it wishes - by refusing to buy my product."" - Henry Rearden, "Atlas Shrugged"

    If I choose business practices with which you disagree, you are free not to do business with me. If enough disagree, I may be forced to change my practices or go out of business.

    Once upon a time I designed a GUI for a 3D terrain manipulation program. During a meeting, a colleague gave me a copy of the finished product. As I looked the box over, I saw on the back where a percentage of the sale was going to the Nature Conservancy.

    I joked, "it's a good thing I didn't have to pay for this; I wouldn't have bought it knowing they were donating to the Nature Conservancy".
    Outraged, another colleague said, "They can spend their money however they like! You can't tell them how to spend their money!"

    I calmly pointed out to him that they chose to advertise their support of the Nature Conservancy. They almost certainly did so in hopes of increasing their revenues. In which case, they have no gripe coming if that same blurb *costs* them revenues by people who disagree with their support.
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  • Posted by Wonky 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This doesn't look like a real victory to me. Being banned for any reason other than the real reasons they should be banned is a PC workaround.
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  • Posted by MrsRK 11 years, 6 months ago
    I checked their web site and thought it very amusing they wrote "Black African-Americans." So, political correctness has arrived there also, I see... "African-Americans" is a term that drives me nuts, like "Ms." and "rain-forest"!
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, it had just occurred to me that I may have touched a nerve of Maphs. Sensitive towards being 'feminine' eh? :)
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of all the women in here it's Maph that goes after you for making a feminine comment. Uncommon...no was offended... sheesh.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He would be. Gregory Peck, too.
    I'm disgusted. And trying to shout from the rooftops, but only making some headway. Have found recently, some surprising kindred minds.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll never be politically correct. Read my second sentence. My better half, she's a real woman. She's anything but weak. But, on two occasions over the past upteenth years her and I have been together, when a male jacka$s thought he could push her around, he didn't like the fact I got involved and suddenly, had a change of mind. Beyond that example, I'm not going to explain any further. I think you know what I mean.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since when is femininity synonymous with weakness? Femininity can still be a source of strength, even when expressed by men.

    You ought to choose a different word.
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