What is the anti-MADD quick-and-dirty smackdown?

Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 6 months ago to The Gulch: General
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As some of you know, I'm reading stuff that brings me into contact with MADD members. I get stuck when they say "Rights? My son is dead! Where are HIS rights?!?"
Well, unfortunately, he doesn't have any because he's dead. While true, that's a little bit in-your-face for me, and observers, if any, tend to think I "don't care". The fact is that I care about different things in a different way than they do.
But what can be said to that? Somehow, "taking away other boys' rights will do nothing for your son" leaves you open to the roadside sobriety checks and everything that can go with them aren't taking away anybody's rights!!!
Well, um, yes they are.
No they're not.
You see where I'm going here.
I'd like something snappy that will stop them in their stilettos.
All assistance appreciated.


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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 6 months ago
    Experience has demonstrated without room for debate that driving a car while under the influence of alcohol - and much else, like putting on make-up - is dangerous to others. It is like having a outdoor shooting range in your backyard. (Sure out in the woods...) In the city, in the suburbs, you cannot claim that you are so good a shot with your gun that no one would be endangered. The very idea just expresses its wrongfulness. So, too, with alcohol and cars.

    Yes, some egregious authorities may use that as a pretext. That does not change the premise.

    The "Terry Stop" is when the police stop a known felon for a pat-down. Felons are not allowed to carry firearms. Now, some over-zealous law enforcement person might get it in their head to stop all automobiles and search for firearms. That would be wrong. The "Terry Stop" would still be right.

    So, too, is it within the proper powers of the agency that is responsible for safe roads to ensure that all drivers are competent to be safe.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
    The MADD member is right. We would all be safer if we turned our society into one big jail. Our cells and uniforms would be subject to search at any time. It would be safer against violent crime. How far do they want to take it? Is it just what killed their son? What about kidnapping, murder, armed robbery, speeding, eating junk food? We would be safer in jail.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 10 years, 6 months ago
    A little bit of my viewpoint... I live in a neighborhood that is within the 'recreational' area (lake/beach) of a large metropolitan area. I rarely drink, I haven't bought a 'case' of beer in maybe 2 decades, never by a 12-pack either... I buy the 6-pack microbrew stuff only, and a 6 pack will last my wife and a month or two. I'll have a beer or glass of wine with dinner at restaurant, same with my wife, that's about it.

    In the summer months and on holiday weekends, we always find ourselves in "sobriety checkpoints" leaving our own home and stuck with all the drunk white-trash boaters, etc. Its pretty darn irritating... Fortunately the unincorporated city/neighborhood we live in is fighting back to the county and doing our best to just get rid of the events & whatever that are held at the lake to diminish the crowds hanging out here on labor day or whatever. We have very few businesses here, and only to support the residents. There is no upside, and no desire to have anything to do with any of it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Looks like freedomforall's thumb nose and wiggle fingers post is something an old dino may tongue in cheek think up.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 6 months ago
    My response would be along the lines of: "I'm against drunk driving as well. How about we just totally prohibit alcohol? Oh, yeah, we tried that and all it lead to was gangs and making responsible drinkers law breakers in the eyes of the law. It did not eliminate drinking, nor driving while intoxicated. We need to hold drinking drivers responsible for their actions."

    Or, "So, you also want to make hammers illegal as well? Because the willful actions of people using hammers have caused deaths as well."

    People are responsible for their actions, whether that is using a hammer or consuming alcohol. Likewise, guns don't kill people, people kill people (sometimes using guns).
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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 6 months ago
    The fix for drunk drivers is at home before they hit the road, you are just enforcing your own failure.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 6 months ago
    Snappy? Something along the lines of,
    'Anytime you have to lie and exaggerate to expound your ideas in order to deny me my natural, and what's called Constitutional, Rights based on imagined effects that haven't happened yet--you've become a nuisance and a pontificating pest.'

    If I ever harm or cause the death of another through my inappropriate actions, I'll be glad to face a jury of my peers and deal with the punishment imposed, but only after--not before. And by the way, Prohibition was repealed 80some years ago.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 6 months ago
    Why do we care about drunk driving if rights are meaningless? MADD has gone out of their way to skew statistics to their agenda. They are rabidly totalitarian on this issue and ultimately feed a police state mentality. At some point you have to acknowledge their arguments come from emotion not reason. In 85 the founder of MADD was ousted by radical prohibitionists. You are arguing with people who have a broader agenda. For non profits their 28% of donations spent on programs ranks them at the bottom. The rule of thumb should br in the 60% range. Check out this site ( I hate the name) www.drunkard.com
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