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Graham, McCain blast Paul filibuster

Posted by Eudaimonia 11 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Last night, Rand Paul threw down a gauntlet.
Then Establishment GOP is *not* happy.

Pop the corn, let the fun begin.
SOURCE URL: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/mar/7/graham-mccain-blast-paul-filibuster/

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  • Posted by MrSelfish 11 years, 2 months ago
    Folks: We should all greatly respect Rand Paul for peeing into the gale force wind of resistance that is the pragmatic US Senate. Regrettably, his gallant efforts will fail. Presidential elections are now determined by major population centers in about eight states with large electoral college votes. It will be this way from now on. These populations are intellectually challenged leftists who's votes are further assured by massive welfare state entitlements. Tea Partiers, Libertarians, and Republican Conservatives are not going to change this demographic in spite of their commendable and passionate efforts. We are dinosaurs on the cusp of extinction unless something extraordinary happens, and that my friends had been, essentially, outlawed by our increasingly statist federal and state governments.
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    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago
      well said selfish
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      • Posted by majdad49 11 years, 2 months ago
        Without the Electorial College, it could be worse.
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        • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago
          maj, I agree with you about the electoral college, but there's not a ton of work to do in the middle of the country. it is the city centers that must be changed inside out. Republicans are dinos when it comes to social media, entertainment, real heroism (like Paul's dramatic stand). it works when they try it out, ESPECIALLY in the cities. ex: could not Governor Christie have capitalized on the fight for Sandy Hook aftermath/rebuild with the strengths our national govt lack? his state languished under bloated, ineffectual federal govt's ability to help. He should have denounced the President and feds while extolling the virtues of how regular citizens were stepping up as heroes to get things done. instead he groveled for every bone, and snarled and snapped at the very people who praise competence and integrity and rugged individualism- those who can accomplish. powerful message to city dwellers who have decided if anything goes wrong, play dead...or loot. Those who do not live in large city centers have no understanding of lack of self-reliance. These events are clear opportunities to illustrate the differences between party's.
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          • Posted by Coder 11 years, 2 months ago
            Reaching out to and educating the ignorant bloated city populaces (populi?) re reality and why they should vote for a particular GOP or Dem or Lib or Natural Law or whatever party candidate notwithstanding, might the biggest systemic problem we face be the current two-party system? as a for instance, had neither BO nor MR gotten then requisite electoral colledge votes, I believe it is up to the House to select a President, and not necessarily from the contenders... oh wait, I just remembered who the House chose for their own leader... maybe the two party system ain't so bad after all...
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            • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago
              Coder, I need the fifth grade explanation. I understand the succession, what is your point exactly?
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              • Posted by Coder 11 years, 2 months ago
                What I've heard so far of Boener's role in removing certain "non-conforming" "tea-party" republicans from committees and such (sorry no details, my talk radio sources (Huckabee, etc) may have me horns-waggled, but he seems way to eager to compromise principles to political expediency.... that was the point at the end of my comment.
                Regarding the House picking the president, I do need to reread my constitution there, but I believe that were we to have a sufficiently split Electoral College vote that the House of Representatives would elect the President... Thus if NEITHER candidate were acceptable, then voting for a third party would not necessarily give the game to the worst candidate. Didn't Ayn Rand herself say (in regard to long term strategy) it is better to choose the option that might give you the best possible outcome rather than the the one that had the less worst outcome? (no, I'm not saying it as well as she did, of course and I hope I've kept the sense of her statement).
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                • Posted by Coder 11 years, 2 months ago
                  In "An Untitled Letter, 1973" (chapter 11 of "Philosophy: Who needs it?") while speaking to the argument that unbiased (re ignorant) humans will make decisions according to game theory she had a better answer. Quoting her here:
                  As to the "maximin" rule of choice, I can annul Mr. Rawls's social contract, which requires unanimity, by saying that in long-range issues I choose that alternative whose best possible outcome is superior to the best possible outcome of the others. "You seek to escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness...." (Atlas Shrugged).

                  To put this in concrete terms, had I voted for McCain back in '08, I'd have been voting for the choice with the least pain (maybe).

                  Am I communicating better? BTW: Perhaps I'm too hard on Boener?
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 11 years, 2 months ago
    I'm afraid I have ties to both "gentlemen." In 2008, I inadvertently marched in the Spartanburg Christmas Parade with McCain. He went on to win South Carolina, which turned his campaign around. I'm not claiming my help got him the nomination, in fact, I was a Guilani supporter at that time. Graham is for better or worse one of my senators. South Carolinians have a love-hate relationship with him. He can be absolutely dynamite on some issues, such as Benghazi, and then be totally on the wrong side of others, nee Rand Paul. He will probably get re-elected, but I expect a serious primary challenge if a strong candidate emerges to oppose him.
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