The silence is deafening... Wake UP America!

Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago to Books
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Extremists (From The Journals of Ayn Rand. In this part she is forming a female character's opinion of the main character (a male) who is frowned upon for standing by is principles regardless of the consequences that his fellow townspeople will impose.) ".... the idea of the 'extremist' is splendid. We should have more extremists--then life wouldn't be what it is. But she says that 'an extremist is always dangerous' and we all should be just in between, the 'golden mean', the balanced average.

This is a wonderful expression of the view exactly opposite from mine. What I want to show in my book is just the horror of the middle: the illogical, inconsistent, weak, tolerant, mediocre, loathsome middle. For if men were extremists they would follow each idea and feeling to it's end. They would be faithful, straight, and absolute in everything. And they wouldn't tolerate a lot of what is tolerated now. This is just what we need." I want to talk more about this.

It seems so many are wishy washy in their beliefs and in their arguments, which is totally acceptable behavior it seems. Why? Shouldn't we all be clear on our convictions instead of flim flammy about them? I see this as a weakness and a lack of self examination because when you start digging into your own beliefs and having to explain them to yourself in a way that makes sense, even to yourself, it can be a smack in the face to realize your levers aren't lined up accurately and some difficult adjustments would need to happen to get things straight.

What are your thoughts?


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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rand was not saying that just because two people are arguing that one of them is right, the other wrong. What she said was in any issue-there is a correct answer and incorrect answer. Often two people in an argument have blended arguments(partly right and partly wrong). If there is a right answer to the issue, why would anyone choose partly right and partly wrong?
    I have a choice between Newtonian physics and mysticism and I influence others to flap their arms and fly off of a cliff AFTER I instruct them to meditate and will their mind over reality-my choice is evil..
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  • Posted by Choose2Think 12 years, 2 months ago
    Unless one starts with a basic premise upon which to have beliefs, there is no logic in their statements. My basic premise is this: "I own myself and you own yourself." If any liberal/progressive/religious right adherents want to have a real discussion with me I ask them if they acknowledge and accept that premise. If not, I ask them: "Then, who owns you?" If they say God ... discussion over. But if they do embrace (for the moment) the basic premise, then there is a foundation upon which to have a discussion. This is difficult, because as Charles Krauthammer says, most people are practicing "willful ignorance." They don't want to give up their beliefs. That is quintessential codependency ... to stay in denial on which point of the codependent triangle they are on: Rescuer, Victim, or Persecutor. If we look at our government today (one that does not follow the constitution) we see codependency at the macro level. All codependent behavior comes from the need to control others. That neurotic need is based in fear.

    If we start to see the dysfunctional behavior of the collectivist from a psychological viewpoint, we will start to understand why they do what they do. As Nathaniel Branden says in the first paragraph of "The Psychology of Self-Esteem," the first decision we make when we reach the age of reason is "to think or not to think." Maybe we could ask him how we can get the left out of denial.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wonderful. You should stop by and post more often. Is “The Psychology of Self-Esteem” a good read?
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  • Posted by Dave4664 12 years, 2 months ago
    The left uses the word "extremist" to describe anyone that does not follow their ideology. This is an insidious propaganda technique designed to subconsciously connect anyone who disagrees with them.....to TRUE extremists, such as the murderous Muslim terrorists. Who in their right mind would want to side with "them"? Hitler would be so proud of these so called "progressives".
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  • Posted by Esceptico 12 years, 2 months ago
    The fallacy of the false alternative in all its glory: "There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." Both sides could be wrong.
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  • Posted by wayneclements 12 years, 2 months ago
    This is why there are RINOs!
    I am a Libertarian.
    Learned mostly from Ayn Rand.
    The worst parts of the right are being overcome (slowly), but the worst parts of the left are growing. Republicans are weak. We have mostly to fight the left, and the right will follow along.

    Thoughts?
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  • Posted by richrobinson 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's true. Socialist just want to control everything. Communist want to take over and run everything.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know that one. Oddly enough Obama is an extremist. He refused to negotiate during the shutdown. Problem is he is a Socialist and few are willing to challenge him.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Obamacare is a perfect example. It is a colossal disaster. No compromise will help. It needs to be repealed.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I quite agree richrobinson.
    Bipartisan nowadays means compromising one's principles. There are absolutes and right and wrong.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's why the committee assigned to make a new type of horse came up with a camel.....a little bit of yours a little bit of mine.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 2 months ago
    "

    There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."

    Ayn Rand
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago
    what you are saying goes to the deeper level of self examination. But think of it on the surface for a moment. Group think encourages normalcy and discourages abnormal. If you are the only dude asserting rational thought in the group-your influence is low because the norm is what is valued. It is especially insidious when you have a Toohey manipulating "the norm." Like Al Gore, "there is a consensus on global warming."
    I have a friend when asked about what she would like for her children-she always replied, "just to be normal." she's a good catholic
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  • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
    I purposely took the time to space this out into paragraphs when I posted it and now it's all in clump. Why?
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  • Posted by richrobinson 12 years, 2 months ago
    One of the things I thought of Shrug is the idea that Washington loves bipartisan solutions. I almost puke when I hear that. I know what needs to be done and so do a lot of us Gulchers. I don't care if Democrats, Republicans or third party representatives agree with me. For some reason being seen as rigid is bad and always giving in is good. It's a big part of the reason we are in the mess we are in.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. It's very hard to stand on your principles and it makes you a target too. Most people won't do hard. It's so much easier to follow the herd. Since your influence is low it makes it OK for the Toohey's to influence the mob to turn on you, like Howard Roark.

    I want to think on this some more. This is a great post.
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