There are so many problems with this I don't even know where to start.
First is the presumption of guilt that is being laid on every driver on this road. Second is the sheer stupidity of stopping everyone going down the road for anything other than reasonable suspicion. This isn't a border crossing. Third is the suspension of Fourth Amendment rights. How is it legal to force a blood draw without a SPECIFIC warrant for that individual?
I hope this gets taken to court and those who instituted this policy get fired and jailed.
Just in time for Halloween-- Greetings, zis is Count the Cop Comrade Citizen, pulling drivers over und instructing zem to say, "Vat do you vant from me? Blood?" Zat is when I burp, emit mein creepy laugh und say, "Only if it is spiked."
feeling rather queasy here....it's hard to do a blood draw on me unless you listen to how I tell you to do it - and these guys certainly wouldn't listen....
I hadn't thought of that. My mom hates to give blood. She would probably pass out. What about folks with medical conditions? Are they prepared for that? Doubt it.
actually, the condition they are prepared for is to not sanitize the area with alcohol - they are instructed to use iodine. Aren't some people allergic to iodine? same song, 7,324th verse: do they care? no, no, no, no, NO!
Jails and Police Stations are notoriously NOT the cleanest places on the planet, so you trust them to stick something into your arm? Gross!!
When I saw that, my thought was - don't they use a similar technique to perform lethal injections? Hey, as long as the serf is under their control, why not give him a tracking implant and ID chip... Obviously it's warranted, as he had this silly notion of having rights, and then said they were being violated...
I thought of that as well. I think when the Police have probable cause and a warrant the person is taken to a hospital to have their blood drawn. I would be going nuts if they tried this in my town. I wonder what the local reaction will be?
I hear it right here in the Gulch. I remember when I posted the infamous body cavity roadside search post-there were lots comments supporting the officers' actions. I was stunned, frankly
At one time the police were held in high regard, as they were there to protect the citizens against the criminals... now they'e there as our local militia to keep the citizens in line, as the municipal government knows all their citizens are criminals... because, the thinking goes, if all of *us* are criminals, our constituents have to be worse than us...
I remember that. I like Susannes point about people assuming the people must be guilty. This story is so anti-American most will probably assume there has to be more to it.
You are correct. If they want blood drawn, they take the person to the nearest hospital.
I almost got fired* because I refused to draw or process any 'legal blood alcohols'. I had no problem doing medical blood alcohols (person found unconscious or delusional), but I would not draw for legal purposes (though I would have if the patient had freely asked me to). I personally believe that this violates the 5th Amendment by making your own body 'testify' against you. If you are visibly unsafe in your driving, then the police have evidence based on that behavior (and it does not matter if it is due to alcohol or the fact that you were crying your eyes out 'cause your guy just dumped you or were too tired to drive and were falling asleep at the wheel).
Jan *What saved me is that very few med techs LIKE to work graveyard shift. If they had fired me, all of the med techs in the lab would have had to pull Call after hours until they found another licensed MT to pull the shift).
"I almost got fired* because I refused to draw or process any 'legal blood alcohols'." It's so much easier to make up little excuses to make life easier. Not taking the easy route inspires every other person watching, even if they don't say anything, even if they don't agree with you. By doing the right thing, even for people who disagree you've put the question on the table: is this moral. How they answer it is less important that they see it as debatable. This doesn't even mention the courage you give to people who agree.
It's interesting, in a sick sort of way. Some states are finding out that breathalyzers aren't that accurate, so they want something more accurate. Courts have held that a blood tense is an unreasonable search, so they have to get a warrant. The police who do these things have a judge at the ready, usually on the phone but sometimes present, and crank the warrants out. Some jurisdictions allow you to refuse a "blow", but those people who do are getting a sharp shock. It's a mess, because it's administered on a county level.
control. they are training our law enforcement in police state techniques. They may say it's for "safety" but did you watch that video??!!! Once I have you strapped down, I can not only take your blood, but you're alarmed and combative, I can give you a drug to calm you down...I can waterboard you for information. It's chilling enough, that 6 professionals, including the nurse drawing blood, are eerily calm (the guy who puts them in a head hold!) -but what was the most chilling, were the women. They went to that gurney willingly-and the smallest woman-did you see the shock and fear in her eyes once they had strapped her down? They went willingly...
Yes. Six professionals agree to take part in this. None of which understand the Constitution or they just don't care. I wonder how many cities have done this or have plans of doing it?
Interesting the sheriff wants to use this to "educate" the citizens he can get a warrant and force them to have their blood drawn against their will... What kind of education is this?
Then again... Isn't this one of those counties that made the news for using military vehicles for police work (allegedly for "public safety", actually as a form of "Public education and control")?
I don't know. but I can tell you that doesn't happen in the country I'm in. There is this insidious slow frog boiling of consent, this will be over quickly, it's court ordered which makes it "right" the head hold, the emotionless participation of the officers. Some get off on that, and you know that-I'd say the buzz cut sheriff for one. It's out of a graphic novel. I won't sleep tonight
Who thought it was a good idea? The National Highway Traffic And Safety Administration (NHTSA). It's been taken over by MADD in the last several years. They provide grants to local police to conduct these just as they do the Enhanced DUI patrols. The officers get overtime and the local governments get free money.
The legality is supposedly based on a telephone warrant by a magistrate or judge.
In one of the jurisdictions I read about, MADD members were allowed to ride along on the holiday weekend [4th of July, of course] one Tennessee county started it.
We've got elections coming up. A question that MUST be asked of every candidate is whether or not they 1> are in favor or this or 2> will comply if/when elected. and then there should be a fucking FIRESTORM. We've got a week, folks. I gave up politics, as I've said, because it's bad for me - but that doesn't mean I'm bad at it. Find out where the candidates are appearing, and ask them if there is open questioning. If there isn't open questioning, heckle them with the question, pointing out that you would be happy to sit down and shut up when they answer it. Don't take any nonsense about "I don't know about it": make an appointment within the next 3 days to allow them to find out about it. Find out. I want to know the states where this is happening, and I'm going to start with Colorado.
Rich, this appears to be one more event which goes to prove that we must be vigilant FOR our governments since they will not do their jobs and maintain vigilance on our behalf.
let's see::: we hire them to do a job, and then have to do part of that job -- defending our freedoms -- because they won't do it. sucks. -- j
Good point John. I am guessing other communities will be watching to see the reaction to this story. If the story goes away quickly it will happen again.
Anyone heard of Hepatitis A, B, or C, amongst a lot of other diseases that a needle can transfer if not clean? Are these people trained, licensed, to stick needles into other peoples body? I'd interpret the practice as unconstitutional, period. Tell me more about those body searches at roadside stops, how did that work out?
excellent question, but will it ever be answered? probably not.
Give someone a little power and low and behold they think they are king. It comes from the top down as in the case of 0. this type of behavior is happening all over the country and it will continue to happen. sure this incident was exposed but that doesn't help those who were initially affected by it. the "i'm sorry" attitude is meaningless, because they who perpetrated the event are not. there is no stopping the degradation of what was OUR country. those who follow these orders are our enemies. more nails.
As I think about it the Sheriff should have been outraged at this. He said he would no longer participate which means he must have agreed to it in the first place. Crazy!
EXCELLENT OBSERVATION, HOWEVER WHILE YOU THINK IT IS CRAZY THAT NEVER ENTERED HIS MIND. HE JUST BELIEVED IT WOULD BE ACCEPTED AS SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC.
I can barely understand: you don't want anyone to drive with an impairment. So in the fear that an inexperienced officer cannot spot a drunken driver by the way he handles his vehicle, they stop everybody, drunk or sober. So now at least one sheriff's office says, "No more."
Pennsylvania does checkpoints where officers stop all vehicles and if someone shows signs of being impaired they are questioned further. If not, you go on your way. I just can't fathom why any law enforcement officer thought this was a good idea...or legal.
Time for Georgia drivers to revolt.
I wish this were about the former Soviet Georgia.
First is the presumption of guilt that is being laid on every driver on this road.
Second is the sheer stupidity of stopping everyone going down the road for anything other than reasonable suspicion. This isn't a border crossing.
Third is the suspension of Fourth Amendment rights. How is it legal to force a blood draw without a SPECIFIC warrant for that individual?
I hope this gets taken to court and those who instituted this policy get fired and jailed.
Greetings, zis is Count the Cop Comrade Citizen, pulling drivers over und instructing zem to say, "Vat do you vant from me? Blood?"
Zat is when I burp, emit mein creepy laugh und say, "Only if it is spiked."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8zYrLJGj...
same song, 7,324th verse: do they care? no, no, no, no, NO!
When I saw that, my thought was - don't they use a similar technique to perform lethal injections? Hey, as long as the serf is under their control, why not give him a tracking implant and ID chip... Obviously it's warranted, as he had this silly notion of having rights, and then said they were being violated...
(Sadly, I hear this from a preponderance of the serfs - especially the younger ones...)
I almost got fired* because I refused to draw or process any 'legal blood alcohols'. I had no problem doing medical blood alcohols (person found unconscious or delusional), but I would not draw for legal purposes (though I would have if the patient had freely asked me to). I personally believe that this violates the 5th Amendment by making your own body 'testify' against you. If you are visibly unsafe in your driving, then the police have evidence based on that behavior (and it does not matter if it is due to alcohol or the fact that you were crying your eyes out 'cause your guy just dumped you or were too tired to drive and were falling asleep at the wheel).
Jan
*What saved me is that very few med techs LIKE to work graveyard shift. If they had fired me, all of the med techs in the lab would have had to pull Call after hours until they found another licensed MT to pull the shift).
sometimes, that's all it takes to stop evil in its tracks - one person who says "no".
It's so much easier to make up little excuses to make life easier. Not taking the easy route inspires every other person watching, even if they don't say anything, even if they don't agree with you. By doing the right thing, even for people who disagree you've put the question on the table: is this moral. How they answer it is less important that they see it as debatable. This doesn't even mention the courage you give to people who agree.
Jan
Some jurisdictions allow you to refuse a "blow", but those people who do are getting a sharp shock. It's a mess, because it's administered on a county level.
Interesting the sheriff wants to use this to "educate" the citizens he can get a warrant and force them to have their blood drawn against their will... What kind of education is this?
Then again... Isn't this one of those counties that made the news for using military vehicles for police work (allegedly for "public safety", actually as a form of "Public education and control")?
Hopefully his constituents will boot his butt right out the door next election.
The legality is supposedly based on a telephone warrant by a magistrate or judge.
We've got a week, folks. I gave up politics, as I've said, because it's bad for me - but that doesn't mean I'm bad at it. Find out where the candidates are appearing, and ask them if there is open questioning. If there isn't open questioning, heckle them with the question, pointing out that you would be happy to sit down and shut up when they answer it. Don't take any nonsense about "I don't know about it": make an appointment within the next 3 days to allow them to find out about it. Find out.
I want to know the states where this is happening, and I'm going to start with Colorado.
to prove that we must be vigilant FOR our governments
since they will not do their jobs and maintain vigilance
on our behalf.
let's see::: we hire them to do a job, and then
have to do part of that job -- defending our
freedoms -- because they won't do it. sucks. -- j
excellent question, but will it ever be answered? probably not.
Give someone a little power and low and behold they think they are king. It comes from the top down as in the case of 0. this type of behavior is happening all over the country and it will continue to happen. sure this incident was exposed but that doesn't help those who were initially affected by it. the "i'm sorry" attitude is meaningless, because they who perpetrated the event are not. there is no stopping the degradation of what was OUR country. those who follow these orders are our enemies. more nails.