Different ways to Shrug.

Posted by LetsShrug 13 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
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I am interested in hearing from fellow Gulchers on the topic of shrugging. We all have very different lives, jobs, responsibilities, and economic situations to contend with in our efforts to free ourselves from being looted and mooched from.

Personally, the obstacles we (me and my family) contend with are many. Most of them boil down to lack of funds to go anywhere other than where we are. I also have conflicts with our jobs, but we are working on other options...working HARD, but it will take time. I'm not sure we will ever leave our home, but my bigger goal is to be as free as we can be with what we can produce without being counter productive in the effort.

However, I feel I have already mentally shrugged because I am aware of what needs to be done and working towards it. I stay vigilant in studying (history, current events, politicians and their actions) and I am able to converse about what is happening in this country and where we are headed if more people don't wake up and take a stand.

That brings me to another issue. Knowing when to speak up and who's worth talking to. I won't waste my time on the hopeless. Most outside of the gulch seem hopeless, but I don't miss an opportunity to say what I'm thinking even if others get confused by it. Sooner or later, hopefully, some will wonder enough, or start to notice that things aren't right in this country and maybe they'll ask me what I mean when I say certain things and then we can have a real conversation. Maybe not, but I'm still throwing it out there anyway.

Shrugging can mean different things to different people. What does it mean to you?


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  • Posted by 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, I say, "If I see your finger in your nose one more time, you're going to your desk. Now go wash your hands before you touch my cards."
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 13 years, 2 months ago
    Begrudgingly, against my nature, I am withholding my best efforts. I paid off my equipment, and shrank my operation to form my own little gulch. I saved the producers only, disassociated myself from all looters and moochers. I will only consider looking for more work if I find an irreplaceable worthy producer. I have a lot of idle machines… I long for the day, when it is profitable to train new people, power up all the equipment and expand my operation… I would be more concerned but my competitors are struggling, while I am coasting. It no longer pays to knock yourself out, when the looters just find more ways to take. Don’t keep too much money in the bank. Buy gold, or guns, or anything that you think will hold its value. I parted with unnecessary vehicles and items requiring license fees and taxes. Hunt, fish, (unavoidable licenses) garden, freeze, can, buy used, repair, keep vehicles looking good years after being paid off and generally find ways to legally avoid feeding the behemoth. All of these kinds of actions contribute to the declining economy which is contrary to our true desire, to produce in a thriving economy… but at what price? Diminished returns feeding the increasing mass of thankless looters? No thanks…
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  • Posted by 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish I still believed that there will be another election. :( (Even if there is...we still have the problem with being out numbered by Moochers who vote for their entitlements...)
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  • Posted by 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really?..Thanks!....I soooo didn't see that coming. lol (And look...very little, if any, meandering.. Are we growing up?? But yes....posting this was a BRILLIANT idea... I'm so glad I thought of it.) (I just snorted.) **High five/Hug/Back Slap/Virtual Happy Dance**
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  • Posted by 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We're thinking of buying the ghettos of Detroit...noone would look there. (The outside of the ramshackled houses would remain while the insides would be new and modern... hiding in plain site!) Okay, we're not REALLY thinking about that, but it was brought up before. :)
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  • Posted by khalling 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I love it! except for the asking for a raise part. no way does that imbecile deserve a raise :)
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  • Posted by khalling 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    micabe, someone posted a great post in here about all the hidden taxes one pays on everything from property taxes to utilities to gas. As a strategy, it's excellent striking!
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  • Posted by khalling 13 years, 2 months ago
    this is just my FAVORITE post in a very long time. and I DO NOT gush, LS
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  • Posted by khalling 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for sharing. LetsShrug has a way of getting people to draw out their experiences, and often, this is a tight lipped group. We can benefit from each others strategies and life experiences at times.
    I'm laughing about your experience as a student. EXACTLY like my son's. He started in an engineering program in college which would have given him a BS in Innovation (mix of EE and this new angle of tech transfer-students learn how to write business plans, apply for grants (ugh) and basically get As for putting together and building a business concept by graduation). Problem is -engineering programs are difficult and hard to get an undergrad in 4 years. Add to that, these other elements, which I find fantastic, btw, and which was a part of BAs as well. But the new thing in college, is homework, homework. When I went to college, you mostly performed for a grade through midterm, final and occasional projects. NOW, it's like glorified high school. homework is graded. My son, who wanted to take the engineering exams and quickly get to the entrepreneurial business building thought he could take a test, ace it and ignore homework. Fail. He was paying for the college, so-he left. He has his own business, although it is not engineering in nature, he still studies on his own. question: did he fail college or did college fail him? I am a big believer in consumer /payer's needs should be met for a reasonable price. But, public education/university feels differently. Ultimately blowing away tests should be the point for maintaining standards.
    All of this, to say, I do not see your school performance as underachieving. I see the schools let you, as a student, down. I agree, that there must be some standard of achievement-tests. Homework? Bull.
    You also apply underachieving to pleasure/work. One defines the terms for happiness(see my above post) first. The "winner" is not defined by empire, most money, power, influence. Different for each. Your examples prove that you are self sufficient and enjoy your efforts. juxtapose that to someone who wants to create their art(just an example not picking on artists) but the time and effort it requires to fulfill goals, takes away from things like paying for food and shelter, saving for emergencies, fewer comforts that decrease overall happiness if prioritized over the long time.
    Akston did what he did for a purpose-larger goal. His choices were deliberate. Underachiever? Not in the least. I guess as far as the voting, you're using game theory. I cannot fault that, it is a philosophical choice. I do ask, why maintain a military force if we do not exercise our right to vote? There needs to be a compelling reason to avoid using one of the most powerful tools we have as citizens in a free country.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is the color of shame, degradation, and embarassment - sadly, those types are (as I found out with my experience) quite color blind.

    There are those who just wouldn't understand why you did what you did... yet, it was, indeed, the only right and proper thing *to* do. Those who don't understand... are deserving of all they reap.

    And personally... I salute you for what you did, and thank you.

    Have a prosperous rest of your week!
    Susanne
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anchors Aweigh!!! We've actually expanded our resources... found a new, somewhat related avenue to follow and exploit... seems there's a number of concerned patriots with Curio and Relic "goods" that need help in restoring, refurbishing, and "aligning" their arms... Since I did that as a hobby for years (for myself and friends) it has turned out to be a pretty decent (and yes, fun!) way to gain profit - so much so that I've partitioned off a part of the shop just for this activity.

    Funny - when you think prosperity, prosperity seeks you out!

    So, when do we set sail?
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I have a few bikes. They do take up some room though. :( My standard of living is rather unconventional by what most people are used to. I can't describe the disgust I felt when Ovomit was making a speech about the collective "sacrafice" ~ completely disrespecting the lifestyle of the U.S military and their families. This is a sacrafice I really don't want to do. I did my time already. I'll bet Ovomit and his minions never have.

    At least it doesn't take long for my teens to do their Saturday chores. :)
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Brother, you got THAT so right! Then again, when I got involved, I was blindly following my "alturistic, neo-socialist collectivist people's democratically communal based..." (Pardon me while I lose my lunch...)

    Seriously - I was hoodwinked into buying in - hook, like, and stinker - to that whole claptrap of nonsense for a while. I can't claim divine intervention, but if it wasn't some divine intervention that put a certain book in my hands and changed my life, I am absolutely certain that I would be no better off than that of Jim Taggart (or Robert Stadler) at the end of the novel.

    Know what? I thank those looters for waking me up, for giving me a real-life example of what we all know as a truism... for giving me a benchmark, and a very VIVID lesson as to what happens when you buy into said claptrap.
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is that the forging business? Sailor.... we are talking about putting a fleet together in here :)
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 13 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I could assume so, but ya know what? Unless I hear something specific about them, I really could care less! Let them feed on their own corpse; soon, they will be what they deserve to be. They worked hard for their loot... --giggles--
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