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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Keep in mind the "tell me how you're going to measure me and I'll tell you how I'm going to behave" part, too!

    Probably some IRS weenie was getting measured on how much money they were collecting with this ruse and it just mushroomed as the word got out around the IRS...

    Mission creep, anyone?
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They aren't masquerading, zealous power-seeking has always characterized the viro movement. The viros -- establishment and otherwise -- are waging a war against private property owners and industrial civilization. "Liking the environment" is not a reason to support them. The environment is our surroundings. The viros' demands to control the environment are demands to control everything around us, i.e., everything, i.e, everything we do personally and are not permitted to do under their ideological social controls. They have a totalitarian mindset on behalf of 'nature' regarded as a mystical, intrinsic value superseding human life and values, pretending that their ideology is "science". Those of us who personally enjoy nature as human beings have nothing in common with that.

    The contemporary viro movement grew out of the radical, violent New Left of the 1960s and early 70s when they called themselves the Ecology Movement. The ecology movement was founded in the 1860s of counter-Enlightenment Germany by an anti-individualist Hegelian biologist, Ernst Haeckel, who regarded society and nature as organic wholes. They began with -- and continue to this day -- to demand rule by bureaucracy, paranoid for 'nature' in the name of 'science', in which even the most ordinary human activities can be done only by bureaucratic permission, when allowed at all. It is the opposite of individual rights protected by constitutionally limited government.

    The viro movement consists of nature worshiping, misanthropic nihilists. It is about suppressing human values, not fighting pollution, except that they regard human activity as such as pollution. The leaders are living high off the hog with hundreds of millions of dollars a year for lobbying, litigation, and activism. It's no accident that the viro organizations and their leaders routinely support the worst statism of the progressive Democrats and the worst "liberal" Republicans, and have become entrenched in powerful government agencies like EPA, NPS, BLM, and their state equivalents.

    For a comprehensive analysis of the viro movement, its goals, organizations, financing, and motives see:

    1. Alston Chase, In a Dark Wood: The Fight over Forests and the New Tyranny of Ecology http://www.amazon.com/In-Dark-Wood-Fores...

    2. Ron Arnold, Trashing the Economy: How Runaway Environmentalism is Wrecking America http://www.amazon.com/Trashing-Economy-R...

    3. Ayn Rand first observed the nature of this movement in the early 1970s when it was still called the 'ecology movement' and most people were swept up by their rhetoric and giving them what they wanted politically. That resulted in the political creation of the dictatorial EPA under Nixon, a wave of mass eminent domain condemnations by the National Park Service for preserving other people's private property nationwide throughout the 1970s until Reagan mostly defunded it, and much more that is still destructive and worsening today, all of which resulted from the nihilistic New Left 'ecology' mentality observed by Ayn Rand. See the title essay in her anthology The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution, later reissued and expanded as The Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution http://www.amazon.com/Return-Primitive-A...
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like the environment, so I like environmentalists. What I don't like are political zealots masquerading as environmentalists.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and his bad seed has begat two super kids, both
    over 125 IQ, one a major patriot and the other a
    major environmentalist. who knows??? -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and brother-in-law is a decorated war hero --
    obviously deserving of the utmost suspicion! -- j

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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They have no requirement to prove anything, and authority to take whatever they want. If they really only used this against drug lords and organized crime, that would be one thing. When they use these tactics against obviously law abiding citizens/businesses, they have exceeded their authority. And it typically has a political motivation behind it.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 6 months ago
    The root of the problem and their power... the taxation system. It is a political tool. Reward your friends and punish enemies.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    State tax agencies are just as bad, but reported in the media even less. When government at all levels is running a mafia style shake-down racket there is no where to turn.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 6 months ago
    brother-in-law runs a tiny computer system business
    and declares that the IRS is as ruthless as the Viet
    Cong whom he was fighting in the 60s. -- j

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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope. Quite a few in Burlington and Dubuque as well. Really, any medium to large city.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 6 months ago
    When we decided to close our retail business we put up a "going out of business sale" drastically reduced prices and went to cash only. Within three weeks we had pretty much cleaned out the store, and what was left over we donated to a local church that did good work with the area children. Looking back, after we realized how simple cash only was we started wondering why we hadn't done it many years before. Now however, being a retailer is so problematic what with regulations and mountains of paperwork, one would be better off just leaving it to Wal-Mart.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is concerning, because our small business routinely does deposits around the $10,000 level, and we never fill out any special paperwork. What a stupid rule, criminals know the law better than normal citizens, and there are many, many ways to loophole this if you really want to.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 6 months ago
    "Who takes your money before they prove that you’ve done anything wrong with it?” - answer - a criminal.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago
    I did not know this.

    But of course the money launderers do know this. Do you want to bet that they have the algorithm down pat? It is probably like: "Every 6th deposit must be over $10,000. All others < $10K."

    Jan
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