Latest report indicates nurse followed protocol. Either something is wrong with the hazmat protocol or some unknown factor caused the exposure.

Exactly. As I commented below, even trained professionals who are not accustomed to suiting up every day can make mistakes. That is likely what happened here, and hopefully it doesn't cost someone their life.

It may well be that Ebola is no less mobile than second-hand smoke. We have entire divisions of government agencies working to control one of these.

They now admit there was no known breech of protocol; it was just assumed that since the protocol is perfect it must have been violated. It seems the fault is somewhere in the protocol, but at this point no one knows where.

historically, there is precedent for this. As long as periods are temporary and for a consistent duration that is reasonable, based on scientific information. Port masters routinely quarantined people coming into a country. Frankly I'd like to see private industry taking the lead on this. Why are the airlines so passive in this discussion? We have all these documents we have to have in order to travel today, and when we really need to make decisions about the things that matter in travel we bungle it up.

Amen!

IKR? It's our racist tendencies that have to remain in check when we're talking about "those who are better than we" coming into the US.

Scaring people in the USA makes them more likely to let Obama spend money on another CRISIS

The numbers do constitute an invasion... I prefer to increase the numbers of legal immigrants if they are truly needed, but we should know who they are and what risk they pose. Those already in line should come first.

In addition to the virtual fence, Groom Lake has (or had, not sure it still exists today) signs posting that trespassers were subject to the use of deadly force.

But we couldn't POSSIBLY make that threat to those coming here to seek a better life for their family, can we? <ahem>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpY1Jt6f...

Just hope you aren't near the top secret lab and directive 7-12 goes into action.

A 21 day inconvenience versus a pandemic? How DARE we consider inconveniencing those people's right to travel freely from the western African holy lands to the USA just to keep a major disease from getting a foothold here...

Good idea except... one could hop from one side of the continent to the other and fly out. Not easy, but possible.

IF Beloved Leader can stop all flights into and out of Israel at a whim, why not stop all flights into and out of west Africa...

Unless getting the disease well established here IS the point of the exercise...

I agree with your scenario being the likely cause Jan.

Inadequate and/or missing training is going to be an ongoing issue.

We can't get into Groom Lake (Area 51). They have a virtual fence where there is no physical one. It can be done. There is no will to do it despite the pressing need and legitimate reasons. It is the paramount duty of any government to protect its citizens. If it cannot do this, it is of no use and should be replaced. Of course this problem has arrived by plane and needs its own response, just a ships will. Still, it is only a matter of time before it comes across the border in problematic numbers just like the Enterovirus.

Maybe in order to get on a plane out of western Africa, you have to submit to a 21 day observation and quarantine process until some quicker way was devised to assure non infection status.

According to experts prevention is based on containment. Contamination by direct contact with body fluids. Here's what common sense tells me. In order to contain the virus, you have to contain the source of it- West African travel. However, for economic and political reasons they don't want to do so. That position is senseless. Allow continued help to contain it within and set hospital ships off shore for treatment and quarantine purposes. At least until crisis is over. Change the determination that it can only be transmitted by physical contamination to one where contamination may be contracted by close proximity to infected persons, i.e. moisture in air during exhalation of infected person. Unfortunately, what's common sense to me, is neither to people with political agendas.

Hello term2,
Ellis Island.
Respectfully,
O.A.

I agree with you on securing the borders, just on its own. But I think the ebola transmission story is a different issue.

Most of the time that hospital personnel are dealing with patients in isolation or in surgery, they are concerned about giving something to the patient rather than catching something from them. The gowns, gloves, and masks are intended to keep the (for example) patient on the operating table safe from the bacteria in the surgeon's mouth or on his hands.

I suspect that what happened is that the nurse gloved and gowned as if for surgery - that is to say, very carefully 'going in'. But when you come out of surgery, you can just strip off the gear...and scratch your nose. It is the reverse when you are dealing with contagious diseases: you can be haphazard 'going in' to the room, but you have to be meticulous in removing the gear. For example: You take off your left glove using your right gloved hand. This is OK. But then, how do you take off the right glove? There is a 'way' (insert your left hand inside the right glove, pinch it, and remove it from the inside, turning it inside out as you do so). If you were to forget this and just strip off the right glove with your ungloved left hand, then scratch your nose with that hand...

And I suspect that the rest of the personnel in the hospital have been following the same training in surgical glove and gowning.

Jan

OK, OK, OK... I'll voluntarily go to the reeducation center this weekend to get my mind right!!

I agree with you! I was responding to your comment about "keep all people EXCEPT those proven to be disease free..."

My question back to you was how such a guarantee could be made. I don't think it could short of some sort of sequestering process.

Comrade citizen, watch your step. My filthy People's Party paw is poised and itching to pull a race card on you!

Whats the alternative- letting ebola enter our country, kill our economy and most likely a number of people? I dont want ebola infected people here, period !!! When we had immigration in the 1900's, we turned people who were sick away when they got to whatever island that was in NYC.

Yes, they say that but haven't announced what the breach was.
Either
(a) they "know" it couldn't be anything else but can't determine what it is, or
(b) they know the breach is not controllable yet and they don't dare admit it.
Hubris?