Rent seeking is a big part of what goes on. This forces otherwise competent and knowledgeable individuals to pay tens of thousands to have degrees for which in turn are pre-requisites for licenses. The left uses the tactic of lawsuits all the time to get groups to change their behavior. As long as a case can be made, I say use all the tools in your arsenal.
and btw, state schools are state funded. That is not VOLUNTARY, against your will you support these hallowed halls of indoctrination.

I am not suggesting that universities are legally liable for "not guaranteeing employment".

I am suggesting that they are legally liable for promoting the idea that they improve one's chances at a career in a specific field while they actually:
1) heavily endebt the believers in their implied claim
2) prefer taxpayer backed loans to finance the believer's enrollment
3) deliver a sub-par education for the sake of first rate Marxist indoctrination

ensuring that:
1) the believer is unemployable and debt-ridden
2) the taxpayer is burdened with the default
3) the university Marxists have a supposedly everflowing government teat.

This is fraud.
This is scam.
This is bait and switch.

Are you going on tax payer backed student loans?

Sorry, but suing a university for not guaranteeing employment post grad is ludicrous. Going to college is VOLUNTARY. To graduate with a degree in olde English poetry is not likely to be high on an employers list must haves in a prospective employee. And why I am somehow supposed to be on the hook for some person's student loan is ludicrous. Little indoctrination camps is what universities/colleges have turned into.
Ugh!
And whatever happened to internships? My son is doing one. It will help him in understanding what he may or may not ultimately choose to do later.

I am a college student, and I have never been promised or guaranteed a job in the field of my choice. In fact, I was made aware of the greater possibility of NOT getting hired in the state I live in, and would probably have to go elsewhere. When I say 'made aware', I mean by both my own research and by instructors. I CHOSE to continue with my education and do everything in my power to apply my knowledge into that field. If my best efforts get me nowhere, that is not my university's fault. My future was never promised...they merely offer that with higher education comes higher possibility of getting the career you want. A lot of the problem is that people feel as though they deserve a job because they have a bachelors or masters degree.... that isn't the way it works.

I have always understood that I would need to work very hard to both get a degree, and enter into my field of study with the career that I want...even harder for the latter.

It's hard work and dedication that land you a job, not your university. The unemployed like to have a scapegoat instead of taking responsibility for their own unemployment.

A related thread: thank you all.
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/17...

Excellent observation there. It certainly gives leverage where the moochers want it.

Thank you.

I wish there were some way that I could give this more than one upvote.

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:)

The answer is market-based education. The professor gets paid according to the number of students who want the class. Not enough professors for the subjects that matter? That is what pricing is all about. Some profs have zero students? Gee, maybe they have to get another job.

Dump tenure. Dump government loans. Make education the business it ought to be, and it will teach the subjects the market demands and, as a byproduct, the cost will drop dramatically.

"Being young means being malleable"
Yes, it does.

And being a parent sending their kid off to university means there is a extraordinary level of trust in the delegation and in the assumption of so much debt (now tax payer backed and taxpayer default responsible).

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I think that's now two on this thread who see my point.

Wow!
I think I actually have someone here who sees my point!

I find myself unappetizingly 'in the middle' on this issue. I think that the 'required general classes' are (a) a way of subsidizing classes that no one would otherwise take, (b) a way of padding the curriculum so that it takes 5-6 years to get a '4 year degree'. So the first thing I would do is to get rid of the general requirements. Perhaps the major-dependent requirements should stay, though.

I do think that even STEM degrees are teaching ineffectual work habits. (I speak from having hired these people from top notch tech colleges.) Even colleges which have explicit pro-Entrepreneur classes are generally oriented around group/team work rather than individual accomplishment and there is a pervasive sense that 'work hard whether you feel like it or not' is an evil philosophy.

It IS the student's responsibility to choose classes according to their own decision. Being young means being malleable, though, and our colleges are still oriented around training English Lords who have a financial independence but need to be able to converse at diplomatic dinners. I do think that the colleges guide students in that direction: "what you need to be a well-rounded person".

Jan

The MB is just one example. The Bolsheviks did that successfully, and many other revolutionaries tried to recruit this class. Historically, the US never did have a disenchanted class, so revolution here was difficult; why not make such a class?

Veritas.

I think both are related.
I don't think that the implied promise is one of a job but rather one of increasing one's chances to secure a better job.

And "the progressive, socialist pablum so many spoon feed" is directly anti-thetical to that implied promise.

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Good story. Good life.

Jan

I was offered a job washing dishes in a laboratory, with the ink not quite dry on the BA in Biology degree. I joined the USAF to get the credentials and experience I needed to actually be employable.

Jan

Yes, but not for the implied promise of jobs, but for the progressive, socialist pablum so many spoon feed. :)

Not sure if the Muslim Brotherhood reference applies, but for the previous part of your question: Ding! Ding! Ding!
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