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Kindergarten Suicide Contract Infuriates Mom

Posted by  $  Mimi 5 years, 1 month ago to Education
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This is getting out of hand. The only way to rein this in is if parents start prioritizing their children’s education by turning their backs on the public system. To private school we go.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 5 years, 1 month ago
    You want to say to the school officials, "Are you hearing yourselves? You think someone could be disturbed enough to kill themselves, but rational enough to understand and obey a signed contract? At 5 YEARS OLD??"

    Private school might be a better alternative. Homeschool definitely is.
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  • Posted by khalling 5 years, 1 month ago
    your children are not yours anymore
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 5 years, 1 month ago
      Have you not heard that it takes a community to raise a child? I mean get with the times.

      How long will it take for the state to take our kids away and put them in education camps? I do not know, a part of me cannot imagine it, but another part thinks it more likely than I want to accept or believe.
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      • Posted by jimjamesjames 5 years, 1 month ago
        The education camps exist. They are called public schools.
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        • Posted by XenokRoy 5 years, 1 month ago
          They do not yet take the children away at some age and have them sleep and eat there as well. Thus they are not camps. Perhaps all we will see are the day camps that are all ready in place. I hope so it leaves us with another choice.

          EDIT: and perhaps more importantly with the ability to talk to our kids about the crap they are "educated" with and help them understand completely what is being attempted and how to combat it within their own minds. Even if your kids are in public schools you have the ability to counteract the garbage if you as a parent will do so. At some point they will attempt to take that ability away.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 1 month ago
    It's not a contact b/c there's no offer, acceptance, and consideration.

    It's also bizarre in the extreme, just retarded. I would have a hard time talking to them without laughing.

    It's not govt overreach. It's morons running a school.
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    • Posted by dbhalling 5 years, 1 month ago
      CG you are right that it is not a contact. And it is probably healthy that you would laugh it off. However, it is symptomatic of the idea that the government owns all children. It is not just morons running the school, it is much bigger than that.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 1 month ago
        In law don't they say the exception proves the rule. If a sign says no parking Sundays, it implies parking is allowed on other days. So if the school enters an agreement with one person not to commit murder, does that mean students who didn't sign the contract can't be liable in a wrongful death civil suit b/c they never promised not to murder?
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 5 years, 1 month ago
        Yes. I just saw there was a video too. It's not worth watching except for the part showing Modupe Idowu.

        I started thinking what could make this contract legal. Suppose they made with the parent, who has legal capacity. They'd have to offer her something reasonably consistent for the going rate for not encouraging a 5 y/o to commit suicide or murder. There's not really a market rate for that, unless we look to underworld hit contracts and figure non-hit contracts are about the same value.

        Even if there were, wouldn't it be an invalid contract b/c it involves something illegal? A contract to commit murder would be unenforceable. Wouldn't a contract NOT to commit murder be similarly unenforceable? Such a contract would put the court in the position of making the other party (the school district) whole if the kid did commit murder or suicide. It would also be an odd situation if the parent came in and said she'd like to buy out of the contract not to commit murders.

        This is just silly. They know it too. That's why they won't return Modupe Idowu's calls.
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    • Posted by Zenphamy 5 years, 1 month ago
      This has absolutely nothing to do with this being a contract or not. It's psychological mumbo-jumbo out of the substance abuse treatment into the mental health treatment and filtering down into social work and teachers, all of whom see themselves as social engineers working for the good of us all. It's sick crap when they start getting to a 5 year old that's still playing princess and tea parties.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 5 years, 1 month ago
    Teachers seem to have no reasoning power or common sense. They overreact repeated. When our daughter was in grade school, she wore her 007 shirt to school, and was told to turn it inside out all day, as she was "endangering" other kids with the gun in Bond's hand! Now, is that even rational! Even a 9 year old knows that is ridiculous. They had some bizarre teacher practicing Maslow group therapy in the classroom of 9 year olds, and drove one boy to attempt suicide after a session. In my opinion, she needed psychiatric help.
    Now it is crayon pseudo guns, really? Teachers have to be the most scared people on the planet, that is what being liberal will do for you. When one boy threatened to set a bomb off in the school, the teachers ran and locked themselves in the classrooms. He had no bomb, he was just pissed at his teacher. Meanwhile, while cops swarmed the school, some kids were stuck in the hall, one boy tried to push our daughter down the stairs.She used her Tae Kwan Do training to flip him and send him sailing down the hall on his backside. Then a cop showed up, and wisely said, "He won't try that again with the wrong girl." Luckily, it was not a teacher, or she would have been suspended for defending herself - which is also a no no in schools..
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 1 month ago
    The Romans had a phrase for it. "Reductio ad absurdum," to reduce something to absurdity. Like most liberal seeming stupidities, there is the underlying motive of control. In this case, thought control. When infused into a youngster, it becomes the lesson of guns bad, prohibiting them, good. Good for the Mom. She is fighting for more than she knows. I wonder, however, what effect this will have on the little one. Will it be admiration for Mom or fear of using guns?
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 5 years, 1 month ago
    Infuriates Mom? I do not understand why the High Sherriff and Police weren't leading a perp walk of pseudo educators out of that school.
    I don't think there is a single sane person in the school system! What would prompt them to generate forms and "contracts" like that? Somebody needs to send that video to the Governor.
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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 5 years, 1 month ago
    Here is the bottom line:
    The schools are sued.
    If they are sued, they come up with ways to avoid the suit in the future. That means things like this.

    Whether they win or lose, it costs them money.
    If they document that they did everything they could, they avoid more losses.

    I'm not one to support the public schools - worked there for way too long to do so. My suggestion is take your kids and RUN.

    At the same time, I understand WHY they are in the situation they are, and why private schools are not in that same situation, let alone home schooling.

    And the pressure is only going to increase, from both sides of the system.

    Get out, while you can.
    And systems like K12 from home are great until you realize that you have to document your child's life for the system as well. As the Federal government takes more control of our public schools, I see only more trouble for everyone.

    Put your kids, first. You get ONE try at getting it as right as you can. Choose.
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    • Posted by plusaf 5 years, 1 month ago
      Spot on, McKenzie... and it's the answer to CircuitGuy's post, too.. "Posted by $ CircuitGuy
      "the moron lawyers advising the school district "
      My guess is if lawyers had been involved it wouldn't have been this stupid. "

      No, CG, this kind of stupidity is the RESULT of lawyers getting involved... why are they involved? Probably because the school's administration is trying to cover ANY and ALL future incidents where ANY student hurts or kills themselves or someone else on site... so that the SCHOOL IS NOT HELD RESPONSIBLE... which, in itself, is rooted in the current 'morality' of "no matter what happens, sue EVERYONE!"

      Many driving forces... the progressives' search for a 100% SAFE world under ALL circumstances, the greedy moochers' goal of getting 'free money' from anyone possible using any and all tools available, including the legal system... and things like that.

      Look for multiple 'root causes' and ignore the symptoms!
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 5 years, 1 month ago
    The logical end to this nonsense will be for the cabinet level Department of Child Safety to mandate that all children become wards of the State, be raised in Government run Child Safety institutions until the age of 18, be taught according to the latest scientific methods on what to do and who to obey and what to eat. The Democrats perfect little world.
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    • Posted by IndianaGary 5 years, 1 month ago
      Remember the "Dept. of Public Safety" during the French Revolution? We're "headed" that way... (don't pardon the pun.)
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      • Posted by j_IR1776wg 5 years, 1 month ago
        I'm with you. Cuba takes children out of their homes at 12 and brainwashes them till 18, FLOTUS mandates what they eat, and Common Core destroys their minds. Its only a matter of time until Debbie Wasserman-Schultz intones..."Mr Speaker, I want to propose a law...
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  • Posted by scojohnson 5 years, 1 month ago
    Hard to comment on this one... The contract thing is moronic, and the thought that the little girl that can barely write her name is going to call the suicide hotline is bizarre, but there may be other issues...

    Mental illness can start at a young age, if the rest of the story is that she's acting pretty bizarre or antisocial, 1 in 4 Americans have a diagnosable mental illness, it's not a stretch. I'm sure Eric Kliebold's parents might have reconsidered their heads in the sand approach or the moronic mom in Sandy Hook that thought spending quality time at the shooting range with her autistic kid that only was interested in first person shooters may have rethought that too if she could.

    Pretty bizarre story though, just hope mom doesn't ignore a problem as she gets older out of stigma... Mental illness is usually treatable, no reason any of those events should happen. Always seems to trace to a lack of intervention by the parents, as odd as it sounds, it's probably a misguided self defense mechanism by the school. If the girl does have issues, private school is one of the worst options, they don't have the special ed she will need if she grows up on meds.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 5 years, 1 month ago
    So first of all, the "contract" is bogus. I'd have a lawyer point that out to these stupid administrators. First, the contractee has no comprehension (due to age) of what they are signing and she is signing under duress - either of which are strong defenses in a court of law.

    From a practical standpoint, however, these teachers really need to take a gun education class. If it doesn't have the parts necessary to BE a gun, IT DOESN'T MATTER. It's called "imagination" - though I know liberals are terrified of a child wielding the power of the mind.

    What a bunch of pathetic losers.
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  • Posted by woodlema 5 years, 1 month ago
    Personally I see a much larger issue. There some basic tenants in this country that all stem back to basic contract law and civil Liberties.

    Agreement: One party must offer to enter into an agreement, and the other party must accept the terms of the offer
    Consideration: Something of value received or promised, to convince a party to agree to the deal;
    Contractual Capacity/ competent parties: Both parties must be competent to enter into the agreement;
    Legality: The contract's purpose must be to accomplish some goal that is legal and not against public policy;
    Genuineness of Assent (Arguably part of agreement): The apparent consent of both parties must be genuine; and
    Form: The agreement must be in whatever form (e.g., written, under seal, etc.) the law requires.

    EXECUTION AND VALIDITY OF CONTRACTS
    Executed Contract [4302.11]: A contract that has been completely performed by both (or all) parties. By contrast,
    An executory contract [4302.10]is a contract that has not yet been fully performed by one or more parties.
    Valid Contract [4302.13]: A contract satisfying all of the requisites discussed earlier -- agreement, consideration, capacity, legal purpose, assent, and form. By contrast,
    A void contract [4302.14]is a contract having no legal force or binding effect (e.g., a contract entered into for an illegal purpose);
    A voidable contract [4302.15] is an otherwise valid contract that may be legally avoided, cancelled, or annulled at the option of one of the parties (e.g., a contract entered into under duress or under false pretenses); and,
    An unenforceable contract is an otherwise valid contract rendered unenforceable by some statute or law (e.g., an oral contract that, due to the passage of time, must be in writing to be enforceable).

    Also the legal age of consent, i.e. 18 is required.

    From my perspective this is the most egregious violation of civil liberties tantamount to the Mob extorting money in a protection racket.

    These school administrators, teachers, county and school board all need sued to hell and back.

    We are not communist in this country and WE the People need to start using our court system to shove back this outrageous tide of blatant communism, a TOTAL affront to our country, our constitution and our way of life.
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