Are the ‘Liberals’ of Today Really Liberals?

Posted by freedomforall 3 days, 13 hours ago to Philosophy
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"Until recently, I had not come across anyone questioning the meaning of ‘liberal,’ until I listened to Russian philosopher Aleksandr Dugin’s interview with Alex Jones, where the Russian reminds us that ‘We are dealing with a new kind of totalitarianism – A liberal totalitarianism!’ It sounds like an oxymoron, doesn’t it, especially in light of the initial elaboration on the meaning of ‘liberal,’ above? At the same time, it displays the complexity of the term insofar as the events alluded to above have shown in no uncertain terms that those who still – incongruously – claim the epithet ‘liberal’ for themselves today, have increasingly shown, through their words and deeds, that they are, in fact, totalitarian neo-fascists. Can they be both? "
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Regular posters here in the Gulch have understood this for years if not decades.
Neither political party protects individual liberty as a so-called 'liberal' should.
SOURCE URL: https://brownstone.org/articles/are-the-liberals-of-today-really-liberals/


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  • Posted by Abaco 2 days, 3 hours ago
    They have an overwhelming thirst for control. Interesting, huh?
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    • Posted by Tavolino 4 hours, 37 minutes ago
      We are witnessing a transformation of America that began over a century ago. With the continued violation of nearly every one of our precious Bill of Rights, we have a civic responsibility to call out the immorality of this Fascist corruption. As Ayn Rand so aptly noted in her 1963 essay, "Collectivized Rights,"

      "There is a difference between a country that recognizes the principle of individual rights, but does not implement it fully in practice, and a country that denies and flouts it explicitly. All "mixed economies" are in a precarious state of transition which, ultimately, has to turn to freedom or collapse into dictatorship. There are four characteristics which brand a country unmistakably as a dictatorship: one-party rule – executions without trial or with a mock trial, for political offenses – the nationalization or expropriation of private property – and censorship. A country guilty of these outrages forfeits any moral prerogatives, any claim to national rights or sovereignty, and becomes an outlaw. Observe, on this particular issue, the shameful end-of-trail and the intellectual disintegration of modern 'liberals'."

      Notice those four characteristics and how they have crept into our current political reality. The division created by ceding to an all-knowing, all-powerful State undermines the rugged individualism and fundamental principles that our founding fathers expressed in crafting the Constitution. We must never let that slip away. As paraphrased by the eighteenth-century statesman and philosopher Edmund Burke,
      "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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      • Posted by Tavolino 4 hours, 27 minutes ago
        Additionally, Rand’s writings are eerily prophetic. Paraphrasing one of her insightful observations, she indicated:

        "The liberals will defeat the conservatives; the progressives will defeat the liberals; the socialists will defeat the progressives; the communists will defeat the socialists."

        As Rand concluded, when the Marxist communists win, total European collectivism will be achieved: the sacrifice of all individuals to the state, resulting in an inevitable authoritarian dictatorship.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 days, 14 hours ago
    From the article: "Do these concepts bequeathed to us by Orwell in 1984 – ‘thoughtcrime,’ ‘doublethink,’ ‘Oldspeak,’ and ‘Newspeak’ – not seem oddly familiar?" Yes, they sure do. Over the past few years I've avoided using the term "liberal" when lefty or commie is more accurate.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 9 hours, 27 minutes ago
      IMO, a so-called "lib" these days is not free at all.
      To be an enslaved conformist would be much more like it.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 7 hours, 59 minutes ago
        Indeed. The best analogy I can think of was nailed by Jesus Christ 2000 years ago when he referred to the Scribes and Pharisees as whitewashed graves. All shiny and pretty on the outside, but dead on the inside. You don't even have to be religious to see that is contemporary American usage of the word liberal in place of whitewash in reference to lefties and Marxists. Newspeak in high gear. Oh my, I hope I haven't committed a thought crime here! LOL!
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  • Posted by rhfinle 11 hours, 26 minutes ago
    This issue was considered, long ago.
    Ayn Rand was trying to describe people who think in a (by the old definition) liberal manner, while distancing themselves from he anti-Conservative control freaks that had already come into power 80 years ago. Her buddy Rose Wilder Lane (Laura Ingalls Wilder's daughter, in real life!) coined the word "Libertarian" to denote the difference.
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  • Posted by JakeOrilley 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
    Was just going back through the history of "The Long 19th Century" and at the beginning the professor (Robert Weiner) it was pointed out that "Liberal" is a term that the definition has changed so many times. In the 19th Century the term was used for someone that would be considered Conservative today. Terms change meaning - going back to the comments on 1984 if "they"continue to change the meaning the hope is to confuse us.
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    • Posted by 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
      Outside the US, often 'liberal' still means the opposite of what the Deep State stands for.
      Unfortunately, people don't often support those 'liberal' policies.
      Instead many support socialist policies.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 hours, 49 minutes ago
    In reality, I've found that most of the liberals (leftists) I know are really conservatives, seems like they just won't admit it.. They deep down beleive in most of the same things conservatives beleive in, but they are just too (something) to be able to express or admit it. They want everyone to "just get along", but yet just won't even listen to reason.
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