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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. I see a concerted effort by government school systems to teach only a "party line" view of history and to leave out all facts that might embarrass government people or show that they did wrong.

    If you can't homeschool your kids, I would at least fight back by giving them books to read that fill in the gaps, such as:
    http://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Teacher-To...
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whether you want to call it respect for authority, deference to authority, fear of authority, and/or obedience to authority, the Milgram experiments demonstrated that most people have far too much of it. They have so much respect for authority, they're simply not capable of thinking for themselves in such a situation. Therefore, the idea that we need more respect for authority, but also simultaneously need to convince people to think for themselves and take responsibility for their actions, seems complicated to the point of impossibility, and even rather contradictory to me.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But I bet that when you encounter them, you treat them with respect until they show they don't deserve it.
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  • Posted by amhunt 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I suppose that depends on what one means by "disrespect". "Disrespect" seems to carry a negative connotation. Your point is well taken given the "either or" nature of "respect / disrespect". My "neutrality" point of view stems of course from the "negative connotation". There exist many people that I "know of" but have insufficient knowledge about them to either respect or disrespect them. For me to say I respect them would be just as misleading as to say I disrespect them.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    These kids are actually protesting FOR CC!

    The rest of the story is that the testing board has acknowledged that the school board is correct and their test standards slant the history in an unfavorable light for the US and they are going to change it. These kids are pawns for the teachers union, which is a pawn itself for the collectivists.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But they "knew" that they were hurting another human. If they had thought for themselves, that should have gone against their morality and they should have stopped.

    Respect for authority does not mean handing over your ability to think. It means that that authority has some reason for the authority - position, knowledge, power - thus, you should accede to their authority unless reason points otherwise.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 9 months ago
    Yessir, I'd like to protest Communist Core when
    the opportunity presents itself!!! -- j

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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How would you define "respect for authority"? If it means to you nothing more than following your own conscience regardless of what an authority figure says, I do not think that's the standard definition. If it was, we would have no phrase like "respect for authority," and would be focusing on each individual's responsibility to develop and honor good values. Rather, having "respect for authority" implies that you must obey the expert or authority figure, regardless of your own thoughts and opinions.

    "Respect for authority" means acknowledging that the person has status above and power over you, and that you owe obedience. This standard definition of "respect for authority" is most definitely demonstrated by the Milgram experiments. The first two sentences of the link I sent make it clear: "Why is it so many people obey when they feel coerced? Social psychologist Stanley Milgram researched the effect of authority on obedience."
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are only a "few" liberals in charge now, and look what happened. Obamacare, USA nearly bankrupt, majority of Americas on some for of Assistance "program", and Social Security you PAID for, and you also paid for Medicare from your salaries. And your right. Margret Thatcher hinted at that in one of her famous quotes. "Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth, and Socialism is the equal distribution of misery.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is impossible to start in a position of neutrality. You either start with a position of disrespect until the person "earns" that respect, or you start in a position of respect until that person loses same. My suspicion is that you are of the latter persuasion.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Those experiments do not exhibit "respect for authority" but rather lack of personal thinking and responsibility. Had the individuals actually thought, they never would have performed the actions of the "authority figure." Same thing with the military. They are only obligated to obey legal orders. It is still up to the individual soldier to decide whether or not that threshold has been met. If not, and they still obey, they face the same charges as those giving the orders. Obeyance of orders is not a defense.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But so few liberals would be in charge. The majority would be under the same tyranny as the rest of us.

    I think this is a backlash against those who have achieved. Those who do not do not care to have more, they just want those who do to be brought down.
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  • Posted by amhunt 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This another good reason why government run ("public") education is such a very dangerous thing.
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  • Posted by amhunt 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I take a third position -- observe the behavior of the person and then decide. An "office" deserves neither respect nor disrespect. To my mind only individuals are deserving of either.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Very true. We should seek to teach truth in our schools, but those in control will set a curriculum that serves their own interests.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 10 years, 9 months ago
    And you expected the progressive ideologues, and their lackey, who teach, some of whom I know, to just lie back and take any attempt to refute their progressive mantra of divide and conquer?
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In Chaos and Anarchy they can rise to power. It is all about power, and tyranny. their control over other.

    They (Liberals) call that Liberty. But as Abraham Lincoln said in a speech, Liberty for some is the freedom to do with your product what you wish, for them Liberty is the freedom to do with YOUR labor and person what they wish.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I take the opposite tack - I start with an assumption that someone deserves respect, unless/until they show that they do not. Starting from a position that one must "earn" respect is disrespectful in the first place, in my humble opinion. I do respect the "office" until the person occupying the office demonstrates that they don't deserve such respect, then I have no problem treating them in the way they have shown they deserve, regardless of office.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I doubt very strongly that those would be the items left out. Rather the white involvement in the civil rights movement, the fact that it was the repubs that enacted equal rights legislation, the advancements that the likes of Carnegie, Ford, Vanderbilt, etc. had to the development of the US. Instead the curriculum will focus on Jackson's oppression of the Indians (while true, it is not the only aspect of the development of the US), how the US is an imperialistic nation (untrue), that the US has caused more suffering and pollution than any other nation, that whites today should feel guilty for past slavery, etc., etc., etc.
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 9 months ago
    The fall of the Roman Empire. The United States. Way too many parallels.

    NO morals, family values gone, government spending and the threat of bankruptcy, constant wars and military actions, POOR EDUCATION, I could go on and on. Every time there is a push to retrieve these values, the liberals want to shove us further down the drain of depravity.
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