From the article: "Critics of the bill said it would give an unfair financial boost to employees, usually government workers, who were exempt from paying Social Security taxes on their salaries in the first place." I've looked upon my SS Ponzi payments as a ROI (Return On Investment) since I was forced to pay into it my entire working life. Now, at the stroke of a politicians pen and a whole bunch of other politicians voting for it, a group of government retirees, who probably have much bigger pensions than mine, can receive a RONI (Return On NO Investment), which will shorten the lifespan of my hoped for ROI.
Thanks for the post, Thor. It was a good read and made me aware of one more government screw job to piss me off.
Biden is just trying to spend as much as he can before Trump gets in to take away trump's ability to accomplish anything.
If I were Trump, I would issue two executive orders on day 1: 1. ALL prior executive orders are null and void. 2. All discretionary spending will stop until re-approved by the new administration.
As a member of the military, I was obligated to pay into SS at the same rate as everyone else. Jimmy Carter (good riddance) decided my military retirement should be cut in proportion to whatever I would receive from SS. Fortunately that was reversed under Reagan. The amounts these government workers will receive is in direct proportion to whatever they were forced to pay into the system. If they didn't pay into it, they get nothing.
Thanks for the post, Doc. The article isn't clear on "If they didn't pay into it, they get nothing". I figure if anyone was forced to pay in, there should be a return and if nothing was paid in there should be no return. Also, IMHO, separate pension programs and the SS Ponzi should have no effect on each other. Reagan was correct.
Social Security became a slop trough for politicians long ago. Its original purpose has been eroded, its rightful entitlees forgotten. No one should receive funds who has not first contributed to those funds, yet that money is going out to illegals, among others. It is sickening...
For the last 2 or 3 years me dino has been getting donation requests from various groups who wants a cost of living increase from SS while we're throwing gazillions of dollars at Ukraine, Iran and a whole host of greenie garbage. I may be retired but what good comes from making the economy go bust? When I started receiving snailmail from up to three different groups of "fix the SS" ALL IN ONE DAY I began to smell the stench of a big time scam with several competing players. None has suckered one red cent from me the dino. As for Biden giving government workers a SS raise, he's just a libtarded senile old POS probably following his Marxist handlers' orders anyways.
I couldn't agree more, Thor. I'm not surprised at all. D.C. is a pit of snakes who inject their poison into everyone else to gain more power and unearned wealth. The GOP has almost as many such parasitic sociopathic traitors as the Democrats. NIFO
If government people really cared about retirees, they would eliminate taxes on retirement and Social Security ... like it was before Biden voted to tax Social Security.
Brainwashing has been going on for a long time, and it's been very widely effective. Schools have not been teaching how to think rationally and to recognize con games by those who have been praised as reputable.
For many years I’ve said I would forfeit all SS benefits I am entitled to if my children were allowed to NOT contribute to the scheme. Unfortunately I am approaching 70 years and no one has accepted my offer.
As a school teacher I actually approve thia 1 thing that Biden has done. I understand and agree that this is not the right thing to do but the Goverment has screwed me over so many times in the past. That I am willing to over look this as at least this time I am on the receiving end.
Social Security is something that NEVER should have been implemented. Since it has been implemented and well before I started working by the way. And I have paid into it over many years, I do plan to draw from it as I am sure that you will also. Therefore, this change, that is also a bad idea but does benefit me is something that I will at least accept without complaint. I guess with all the times that the Government has screwed me over I am just due.
Saying you will take advantage of a change is completely different than saying you endorse the change.
If someone asked me if I would give up social security if they ended the program in a reasonable time frame, I would give up the $ in one nano-second. However, I'm not sending my own money back if the clown show will continue.
You are splitting hairs. I have been on the wrong end of things done by the Government so many times that I will happily take advantage of being on the receiving side for once.
Well I have always felt that Social Security is a bad program; yet, as I have been forced to participate in this program I have felt that teachers should be included. So, yes I would have voted for this.
No I have demonstrated, just as you have that I will take advantage of a program that has long taken advantage of me and that I would like to see as much return on my money, that they have already taken as possible.
There is a system. You just demonstrated you would vote for a new one to get MORE from others.
You do not get to lump me into this category, at all. You have demonstrated NOTHING about me. I do NOT get social security. Own your decision to EXPAND government.
You said that you would give it up suggesting that you already are collecting. You demonstrated that yourself. Now you say that you do not. Which is it?
As for myself. I have worked for 40 years and paid in for over 32 of those years and rightly have a claim to that money. That is not something that I would be taking from others but from what I am entitled too. The fact that teachers were not currently in the system is something and that that has been rectified by this and would be beneficial to me.
If this hurts your feelings too bad for you. I don't like the system but will happily take the increase and deserve to be paid back. If you are so anti-Social Security then don't collect it. The Government will still force you to pay in and for you to make that choice seems stupid to me
I said I would give it up. That is the system that I am presently promised. It is exactly as I said: "I am not collecting". I am NOT duplicitous. You need to pay attention.
You assert you are owed. In this case you assert you are owed more than others, and that we should expand a program to give you more from others.
You can not distinguish this position from supporting a new welfare program for teachers in retirement.
Hurts, my feelings? Not at all. Destroys your credibility as an Objectivist or Libertarian.
So apparently you are just being a troll or just didn't read what I said in the beginning. Here let me post it again: As a school teacher I actually approve this 1 thing that Biden has done. I understand and agree that this is not the right thing to do but the Government has screwed me over so many times in the past. That I am willing to over look this as at least this time I am on the receiving end.
For most this is not the right thing. Government workers who have never paid in and such. I however have paid in over MANY years and feel that I deserve and am owed a NORMAL amount as opposed to the REDUCED amount that a teacher normally receives. I have NOT suggested that I am owed more than anyone else. This is not a new welfare program for teachers though I can see your point for those who have NEVER paid into Social Security.
As for the original article suggesting that SS will be going insolvent. IDGAF about that. Both of my parents paid into SS over 45 years each. My father died after collecting for 2 months and my mother collected for approximately 2 years. Together they paid in more than 100 times what they collected. So the way that I see SS going insolvent is that they have stolen from the system and those of us who have paid in are OWED and have every right to expect payment!
Oh cute, downvote, because credible argument completely eludes you… maybe get the government to help with censoring while you increase your welfare check.
No idea what this diatribe, MSNBC spin doctor BS means.
"As a school teacher I actually approve thia (this) 1 thing that Biden has done."
Both my parents were school teachers. My wife is a school teacher. So what?
I read what you wrote in the beginning, and it is precisely as government-enforced self-serving forced bullshit as every attempt to recover you have made. "Me me me, forced from you you you. I deserve it because I taught children, and worked 9 months a year. Reparations for me me me. Me me me deserve...I'll take more from others who serve me, through government force, because I deserve more. I care nothing about the government returning 30% on the investment as Milton Friedman demonstrated, and others paying 3 times what I receive, because I deserve it. I am happy that Biden gave EVEN MORE power to the government, because I deserve it. I paid. Everyone else did too, but I deserve it first, and I endorse the government enforcing this forever". I want the money back that I paid in, supporting the people who paid in before me, who paid people who never paid in."
There is NO defense for endorsing this law. “I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” Pathetic.
The defense of this law is that I will some of mine back. Your are just whining due to the fact that you won't be getting any. God almost makes me think that you voted for Harris.
Throwing random rocks in all directions now. Asserting there is evidence that I voted for Harris, when I'm arguing against a government handout and Biden policy from a bankrupt government. Shrewd. Insightful.
This is my post, and you commented on it with a defense of increased socialism. Calling me a "Troll" is laughable, and equal to MSNBC calling Trump a totalitarian.
What kind of English is: "The defense of this law is that I will some of mine back. Your are just whining due to the fact that you won't be getting any. God almost makes me think that you voted for Harris."
Wishing God makes you think is a good idea, because it sure isn't happening on its own.
Thanks for the post, Thor. It was a good read and made me aware of one more government screw job to piss me off.
Biden is just trying to spend as much as he can before Trump gets in to take away trump's ability to accomplish anything.
If I were Trump, I would issue two executive orders on day 1:
1. ALL prior executive orders are null and void.
2. All discretionary spending will stop until re-approved by the new administration.
I may be retired but what good comes from making the economy go bust?
When I started receiving snailmail from up to three different groups of "fix the SS" ALL IN ONE DAY I began to smell the stench of a big time scam with several competing players. None has suckered one red cent from me the dino.
As for Biden giving government workers a SS raise, he's just a libtarded senile old POS probably following his Marxist handlers' orders anyways.
I'm not surprised at all.
D.C. is a pit of snakes who inject their poison into everyone else to gain more power and unearned wealth.
The GOP has almost as many such parasitic sociopathic traitors as the Democrats.
NIFO
Schools have not been teaching how to think rationally and to recognize con games by those who have been praised as reputable.
If someone asked me if I would give up social security if they ended the program in a reasonable time frame, I would give up the $ in one nano-second. However, I'm not sending my own money back if the clown show will continue.
No hair to split at all.
You do not get to lump me into this category, at all. You have demonstrated NOTHING about me. I do NOT get social security. Own your decision to EXPAND government.
Congratulations. Why are you here?
As for myself. I have worked for 40 years and paid in for over 32 of those years and rightly have a claim to that money. That is not something that I would be taking from others but from what I am entitled too. The fact that teachers were not currently in the system is something and that that has been rectified by this and would be beneficial to me.
If this hurts your feelings too bad for you. I don't like the system but will happily take the increase and deserve to be paid back. If you are so anti-Social Security then don't collect it. The Government will still force you to pay in and for you to make that choice seems stupid to me
You assert you are owed. In this case you assert you are owed more than others, and that we should expand a program to give you more from others.
You can not distinguish this position from supporting a new welfare program for teachers in retirement.
Hurts, my feelings? Not at all. Destroys your credibility as an Objectivist or Libertarian.
As a school teacher I actually approve this 1 thing that Biden has done. I understand and agree that this is not the right thing to do but the Government has screwed me over so many times in the past. That I am willing to over look this as at least this time I am on the receiving end.
For most this is not the right thing. Government workers who have never paid in and such. I however have paid in over MANY years and feel that I deserve and am owed a NORMAL amount as opposed to the REDUCED amount that a teacher normally receives. I have NOT suggested that I am owed more than anyone else. This is not a new welfare program for teachers though I can see your point for those who have NEVER paid into Social Security.
As for the original article suggesting that SS will be going insolvent. IDGAF about that. Both of my parents paid into SS over 45 years each. My father died after collecting for 2 months and my mother collected for approximately 2 years. Together they paid in more than 100 times what they collected. So the way that I see SS going insolvent is that they have stolen from the system and those of us who have paid in are OWED and have every right to expect payment!
"As a school teacher I actually approve thia (this) 1 thing that Biden has done."
Both my parents were school teachers. My wife is a school teacher. So what?
I read what you wrote in the beginning, and it is precisely as government-enforced self-serving forced bullshit as every attempt to recover you have made. "Me me me, forced from you you you. I deserve it because I taught children, and worked 9 months a year. Reparations for me me me. Me me me deserve...I'll take more from others who serve me, through government force, because I deserve more. I care nothing about the government returning 30% on the investment as Milton Friedman demonstrated, and others paying 3 times what I receive, because I deserve it. I am happy that Biden gave EVEN MORE power to the government, because I deserve it. I paid. Everyone else did too, but I deserve it first, and I endorse the government enforcing this forever". I want the money back that I paid in, supporting the people who paid in before me, who paid people who never paid in."
There is NO defense for endorsing this law. “I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” Pathetic.
Good night Troll and placed on ignore.
This is my post, and you commented on it with a defense of increased socialism. Calling me a "Troll" is laughable, and equal to MSNBC calling Trump a totalitarian.
What kind of English is: "The defense of this law is that I will some of mine back. Your are just whining due to the fact that you won't be getting any. God almost makes me think that you voted for Harris."
Wishing God makes you think is a good idea, because it sure isn't happening on its own.