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Will Trump Be An Andrew Jackson In The 21st Century?

Posted by freedomforall 1 week, 6 days ago to Politics
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"For an illuminating comparison, let’s return to the year 1824. Andrew Jackson ran for president and won a plurality of the popular and electoral votes. But he did not get the majority. The election was thrown to the House of Representatives, which produced a surprising result: John Quincy Adams became president thanks to the support of Henry Clay who was promised the position of Secretary of State.

That sense of being robbed of the presidency festered deeply among Jackson’s fan base and he came back four years later, more fired up than ever. The election of 1828 was utterly sweeping. He ran an unapologetic populist campaign against the national bank and corrupt insiders in Washington. The turnout broke all records, and so did the results. Jackson won by a landslide, securing 178 electoral votes against John Adams’ 83.

With this mandate, Jackson and his followers utterly destabilized Washington, firing vast numbers of executive bureaucrats who were considered disloyal, and fought the national bank while pushing for gold and silver as money. His hiring of loyalists to top positions was decried as the “spoils system” that was ended fully by the Progressive Era, which amounted to a revenge of the professional bureaucrats.

The policies he pursued–keeping the government mostly constrained by the Constitution, keeping the peoples’ interests front and center, and devolving power to the states–prepared the ground for the United States to rise from a small post-colonial outpost to the world’s greatest economic and military power by century’s end."
SOURCE URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/andrew-jackson-21st-century


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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 1 week, 6 days ago
    Andrew Jackson had a lot of plusses that were mentioned in this thread and have been largely forgotten. He also had one major minus: The Trail of Tears, as well as the massacre in Alabama against Indians (Creek? Choctaw?) in the War of 1812 that alienated Davy Crockett.
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    • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 1 week, 6 days ago
      You need to read more of the 'concealed history'. It would change your mind, about the Trail of Tears and Chief Greenwood LeFlore, Chief McGillivray of the Creeks and his affiliation with the Spanish as his patrons. I may sometime enlighten you!!

      (I have ancestors related to both Chief McGillivray and Chief LeFlore, thus my interest and edification!)
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 week, 5 days ago
    Me dino wrote the following here maybe a couple of years ago or maybe a bit longer.
    It is a fact that Andrew Jackson was steadfastly against the idea of paper money.
    So I speculated that those who put his image on the twenty dollar bill were laughing their butts off.
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    • Posted by tutor-turtle 1 week, 5 days ago
      Andrew Jackson was adamant Congress and Congress alone mints our coin!

      It's the law, enshrined in our Constitution.
      Andrew Jackson was also adamant against a Central Bank!

      For that, he was targeted for assassination.

      Abraham Lincoln printed our our coin and was assassinated for it.

      John Kennedy printed silver certificates circumventing the FED, for that he was assassinated for it.

      Notice a pattern here?

      A Central Bank, run by foreigners, creating money out of nothing, is bleeding our nation to death by inflation.

      Anyone and everyone who has tried to stop them is targeted for death.

      End The FED Our very existence as a sovereign nation is at stake
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  • Posted by rhfinle 1 week, 5 days ago
    I dunno, but I'll bet that if this country still exists a hundred years from now, Trump's will be the fifth head carved on Mt. Rushmore. Maybe the sixth if they do Reagan too.
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    • Posted by 1 week, 5 days ago
      Maybe someone with a brain will remove the 2 tyrants on the right side of Rushmore. That will leave plenty of room for defenders of the Constitution to join Jefferson and Washington.
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      • Posted by rhfinle 1 week, 4 days ago
        Sadly, there is a fault line through Jefferson and he will probably be the first to disappear (that's why he appears to be leaning up and looking down his nose - so the nose wouldn't fall off.). I read somewhere that the whole mountain is riddled with cracks and faults, and will be pretty unrecognizable in ten thousand years. Thunderhead Mountain, a few miles away, is a solid granite monolith, and so Crazy Horse may remain recognizable for half a million years.
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  • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 1 week, 6 days ago
    I'll post more later, but to begin with:

    "...the final treaty of peace had left Spain in possession of the two Floridas and the Creek towns within the territory of the United States. Thereupon he composed his well known letter30 of January 1, 1784, to Governor O'Neill, protesting against the treaty on the ground that the Creek were a free people," and that the king of England had no right to cede their territory to the United States or any other power. In the name of the Creek nation he asked the protection of His Catholic Majesty for the protection of their persons and lands: "We have the right to choose our protector, and we do not see anyone who answers our purposes better than the Sovereign of the two Floridas." He next proceeded to demonstrate the necessity of Spain's attaching the Southern Indians to her interests. This he did by warning O'Neill that many Americans were crossing the mountains and settling on the Mississippi, where "they propose establishing what they call the Western Independence. ... If they once form settlements on the Mississippi, it will require much time, trouble and expense to dislodge them."

    From "Alexander McGillivray: 1783 to 1789" academic article in the journal "The North Carolina Historical Review, by Arthur Preston Whitaker, April 1928.

    Another good academic article is "Alexander McGillivray, The Creek Chief", by A. W. Putnam, in The American Historical Magazine, October, 1899.

    Chief McGillivray was known to the colonists and early Americans as "the Talleyrand of North America"; he fought with the British against the patriots in the War of Revolution, and many early Americans who wanted to move West were in touch with him.

    Later I will explain the Trail of Tears, and Chief Greenwood LeFlore's contribution. He asked that the removal take place later than originally planned, and was in touch quite often with this agency of the U.S. government, which I believe was set up to make sure funds allocated for the removal were used correctly and appropriately.
    "United States Congress, Senate, Document No.512, Twenty-third Congress, first session, 1833. Five-volumes. ' These five volumes contain the ·correspondence between the members of the Five Civilized Tribes and the United States government from November 30, 1831, and December 27, 1833. This is a valuable source for information concerning removal. Most of the material concerning the Choctaws is contained in Volume III.

    I found the above in a Master's Thesis submitted to the University of Oklahoma in 1967, by Nora Jeanne Shackleford.

    (Talleyrand: known for crafty and cynical diplomacy.)

    Interesting side note: The Choctaws pride themselves on having never taken up arms against the United States.
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  • Posted by JohnRandALL 1 week, 6 days ago
    I attended Andrew Jackson High school. Despite the trail of tears, Andrew Jackson had more pluses than minuses, in my view. Big player in early Florida's history.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 week, 5 days ago
    Not sure if he will be an Andrew Jackson or maybe a bit of a Teddy Roosevelt. I have always liked this old quote from Teddy Roosevelt: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
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    • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 1 week, 5 days ago
      A great quote. I have read parts of it before.

      Let me tell you something, though. I have never liked the idea of even dual citizenship, though my youngest daughter wanted me to apply (there was a lot to it, and expensive too), as my Dad's parents were immigrants from Italy. She wanted to be able to work in Europe, but after working in London for awhile, she changed her mind. I didn't want to in the first place, and then spent all that money (about $2,000) and she decided she didn't need it!
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 1 week, 5 days ago
        I also do not like the whole dual citizen concept and as Roosevelt said, "There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all."
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        • Posted by $ SpiritWoman 1 week, 5 days ago
          Exactly. I have never in my entire life wanted to be anything but an American.

          Some men in power with dual citizenship can find themselves in quite a quandary should 'dark forces' be liberated.
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