CIA Built "12 Secret Spy Bases" In Ukraine & Waged Shadow War For Last Decade, Bombshell NYT Report Confirms (Justification of One of Putin's Reasons For Invasion of Ukraine)

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"Below is a hugely ironic excerpt from the Times report. The section begins by noting that Putin has repeatedly blamed the US-NATO for expanding its military and intelligence infrastructure into Ukraine. Not only had this precisely been going on for the past decade, as is now being admitted, but was presented by the Kremlin as a key cause of the Russian invasion of Feb.24, 2022. Putin and his officials were adamant on the eve of the invasion that NATO was militarizing Ukraine. The Times appears to now fully admit that, yes - this was actually the case"
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So, Putin was right. The Deep State has been waging a war against Russia in Ukraine.
Does this justify the Russian invasion?
SOURCE URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-built-12-secret-spy-bases-ukraine-waged-shadow-war-last-decade-bombshell-nyt


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  • Posted by Ben_C 2 months ago
    No different than Russia building a base in Cuba. The US Naval Blockage was successful in repelling the Russian ships but it is way easier on the ocean than on land. NIFO the Deep State
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    • Posted by fairbro 2 months ago
      Not a valid analogy. Russians did not commit war crimes in Cuba.

      US trained and sent to Donbass (from the neo-Nazi's of the Maidan mob) trained snipers, who killed 14,000 Donbass civilians from 2014-2016.
      From 2016-2022, the OSCE stopped counting the casualties, after it was uncovered that the OSCE was aiding Kiev in the killing, in locating targets.
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      • Posted by Ben_C 2 months ago
        I agree. But as the US felt threatened by a nuclear base in Cuba Putin feels threatened by NATO ally next to his border. I DO NOT justify what Putin is doing in Ukraine. That said, Ukraine has not and is not the symbol of economic and civil freedoms.
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      • Posted by mhubb 2 months ago
        wanna bet??

        or do you think all those Cuban civilians murdered themselves over all those years

        and yes, we ALL know that obama the il-legal alien POTUS over-threw the legit government of Ukraine

        we'd not want Russia screwing with Canada, we should not be screwing with Russia's backyard
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        • Posted by fairbro 2 months ago
          In Cuba, yes, what happened was evil. Suppression of Human Rights. The UUSR is hiostory. Putin has said Communism was a terrible mistake, and Russia has become a better nation, having learned from that mistake.

          What happened in Ukraine was more fundamental - the suppression of the right to communicate - the right to use your own native language.

          Suppression of the ability to communicate is the most wrong thing one can do to a person. Freedom of Speech is No. 1 with a * in the Bill of Rights, but if your language is banned....
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    • Posted by tutor-turtle 1 month, 4 weeks ago
      Put the shoe on the other foot.
      Imagine the Russian KGB setting up a new government in Canada?
      Making 48 bio-weapons labs there.
      Turning the country into the money laundering capital of the world.
      Trafficking drugs, arms and sexslaves..
      Then killing Americans who live there by the tens of thousands...
      Russia has shown great restraint in the face of C.I.A. naked aggression.

      This country would have lost it's mind in anger.

      If this country doesn't Stop making more enemies, we will soon be surrounded by nothing but enemies, and it will all be the fault of our corrupt, filthy, warpig government.
      The worst part go it will be our new-found enemies won't distinguish between our "so-called government", and it's people.
      Kind of like what the Mockingbird Media is trying to do with Russia.
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  • Posted by term2 2 months ago
    The USA undoubledly lied to Putin, but in the end Putin just wants to take over Ukraine, either by having it given to him, or him taking it. Putin is into power, and so is our USA government and its politicians. Not a lot of difference. USA wanted to keep Russia down, and Putin wants to raise it up.
    Why doesn't everyone just leave Ukraine to the Ukrainians....
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    • Posted by fairbro 2 months ago
      "Ukrainians" in Eastern "Ukraine" are Russians. They speak Russian and have a Russian heritage.

      Ukraine did not exist until 1991.

      How would you like it if ypu are charged with a crime for writing your comments in English and your history books were all altered, to show that Washington, Hamilton, Paul revere, Jefferson, etc. were a bunch of criiminals and racists?

      Russia finally decided to use force to make Ukraine/NATO stop the murderous shelling of civilian areas of Donbass, going on continually since 2014, and the Ukraine's refusal to implement ANY of the 3 peace treaties signed and agreed to, to bring the conflict to an end. Merkel, Sarcozy, UK PM even bragged about lying to Putin - "We signed the trearty just to get time fro NATO to build up Ukraine's army."..
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      • Posted by term2 2 months ago
        Russia wants far more than a few russian speaking ukranians. But, I do think we should let whoever is living in Ukraine to decide their own fate, without tanks from the US or Russia interfering.

        With this invasion and fighting, there will be nothing left of Ukraine, and the USA should not get involved in any kind of rebuilding. We should just STOP funding Zelensky, let him negotiate with the russians if possible, and deal with the consequences.

        Same said for Israel. We should stay OUT of it. Let them protect themselves, and we don't interfere one way or the other. We have bigger fish to fry right here at home with deficit spending and the national debt and southern border and crime and inflation
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        • Posted by fairbro 2 months ago
          They (Donbass) did already have a vote. They voted 95% to be part of Russia. On the vote in Crimea, it was 98%. The Eurocrat inspectors have never found anything problematic with voting in Ukraine. Do you deny Human beings their Human Rights to Self-Determination?

          The US - not Trump, but Obama, Nuland and Biden (he was Obama's point man in Kiev) caused the $Trillion in damages to Ukraine.

          NATO/Deep State is 100% responsible for every single Ukrainian and Russian corpse, probably 500,000 so far, and the doubling of the size of Ukrainian cemeteries.

          One of the most cowardly and dishonorable things a person can do is pay another person to kill a third person, and the Deep State/NATO is doing that on a national scale in Ukraine.

          Killing 10 Ukrainians to kill one Russian.

          US is bankrupt, they will never pay a penny for reconstruction for all the damage they have caused. They could have used that money to build, but they used to buy weapons and destroy, in their never-ending quest to justify their Russio-phobia.
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          • Posted by term2 2 months ago
            It was wrong fir Russia to invade and try to take the entire country. It was wrong for USA to get jnvolved. Both sides should accept guilt and simply stop the hostilities. .
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            • Posted by fairbro 1 month, 4 weeks ago
              Stop equivocating. The US has refused to accept Russia since the end of WW2 and fomented the color revolution in Georgia and Ukraine. Russia tried to make friends peaceful, but the US stuffed NATO down their throat, with their NATO expansion throughout the 1990's and 2000's..

              The US meddled in Ukraine like the way an interfering in-law might interfere in an otherwise happy marriage. Ukraine and Russia got along fine until the Deep State got involved. Russia did not start this war, the US Deep State started it. with their "color revolutions" in 2008 and 2014.

              The US is great at smashing countries, turning them into hellholes - Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, Syira, now Ukraine.

              Would be nice if, instead of a $trillion for the Pentagon's bombs, they spent the $triilion on something constructive.

              This is not a war of Ukraine vs. Russia. It is NATO vs. Russia, and NATO is run by the Washington Deep State. Every single corpse in Ukraine is 100% the responsibility of the US Deep State.

              The rest of the world is on Russia's side because Russia has replaced the US as the world's leader on the side of Human Rights, especially the Human Right of Self-Determination. .
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              • Posted by term2 1 month, 4 weeks ago
                RUSSIA is the reincarnation of Soviet Union, which was NOT a bastion of human rights, nor is Russia under Putin today. Who was that opposition leader to Putin that somehow was poisoned and then amazingly died shortly before another Putin election?

                I lived through the age of soviet russia where it was fomenting trouble around the globe, not to mention in cuba, south America, and many other places- trying to take over.

                No wonder USA is distrustful of Russia as a communist country. Putin sounds like an OK guy as long as you don't stand in the way of his accumulation of power. If you do that, he is a real nasty dictator.

                Putin has claimed he wants to restore Russia to the power of Soviet Union, and he is willing to do it by force if necessary. Do you really think that Putin would just attend tea parties with our leaders once he was back up to the power level of soviet russia?? I sure don't think so.

                All that said, the USA seems to have the same power hungry tendencies, and just should stay out of other countries' business. If other countries are stupid enough to get under the thumb of russia or china, they should be willing to pay the eventual price. The USA should develop its military to the max either offensively or defensively (either way, no other country would want to mess with us and we would be safe)
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                • Posted by 1 month, 4 weeks ago
                  The founders of the States United disagreed with your military blank check.
                  Prompted by the fear of standing armies to which Story alluded, the framers inserted the limitation that “no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years.”
                  Funding military spending by con-gress is probably the biggest waste of funds in the history of the world. They will always use those funds to increase their power over us.
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    • Posted by 2 months ago
      Because the politicians in Ukraine want to get rich and the short path is by helping US politicians steal from us.
      Don't forget all the biolabs that were set up by NATO/US near Russia in Ukraine.
      What would a sane US leader do if such labs were set up by China in Mexico near the US border?
      In a sane world the US military would be sent into Mexico to protect Americans, just as Russian troops went into Ukraine to protect Russians.
      D.C. is worse than Putin in many ways.
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      • Posted by term2 2 months ago
        Fauci was doing research right here in the USA and actually paying the WUHAN lab to do research in china, so I am not so sure the USA would send in troops to Mexico.
        I am pretty convinced that Ukraine is as crooked as it gets, and so is Biden and Hunter. But why is the USA funding Ukraine and why is Russia attacking Ukraine. Its all pretty stupid I think. In the end, Russia will take over Ukraine and probably Poland to get Russia back to the status of Soviet Union. We should be figuring defensive weapons so that we arent subject to 'Russia attacking the USA, and then concentrate on the USA being independent of whatever Russia or China might do
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        • Posted by 2 months ago
          Re: Fauci, that's why I stated "a sane US leader" and "in a sane world".
          (The conclusion is that Putin is more 'sane' than the 'leaders' of the West.)
          Yes, it's stupid unless war and killing millions is a desire of the 'leaders' in D.C., Brussels, and London.
          In their eyes, we are the enemy.
          We have to start thinking that they, our 'leaders', are our enemies or we will be casualties.
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          • Posted by term2 2 months ago
            I have thought that our government was my greatest enemy in that all it wants is control over me, and its located right in my backyard, not thousands of miles away. Now that we have the counter culture and woke ideology in power, its REALLY the enemy of the USA in general.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    Business as usual. We've been carrying out intelligence and spy sparring with the Russians since it became obvious that Putin was going to follow his dream of resurrecting the reach and power of the USSR, the downfall of which he labeled a "historical tragedy."

    Is the fact that we retained the strength in our CIA to carry out stronger, more aggressive action than the greatly weakened FSB (KGB with a new name) somehow evil? It may be considered "unfair" by Putin, but his whining has become tiresome. He's upset that we've spoiled his attempt to make Russia a superpower like the USSR.

    The sad part of all this is that Putin had so much in his grasp that he didn't understand that could have made Russia far more powerful than it is today. When he was invited to consider joining the EU, the resources and technological capability Russia had could have given him more influence and control over Europe from within than from without.

    NATO even made it known that Russia would be welcome as a member of that organization if it applied, but Putin rejected anything he felt would put boundaries on Russian ambition. The other problem he has is that corruption is so deeply embedded in Russian business and bureaucracy that it could be personally risky for him to try to make the changes needed to qualify for either the EU or NATO.

    As for Ukraine never existing before 1991, nonsense. All of the socialist republics within the USSR at least considered themselves as independent, whether or not they had a long history without the heavy Russian hand around their throats.

    Ukraine's problem was after Stalin killed off several millions of Ukrainian kulak farmers and replaced them with loyal Russians, that part of what was Ukrainian had pretty much been conquered. Ukraine probably would have been smarter to agree to let the Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts go to Russia, and continue leasing Crimean ports to the Black Sea Fleet, so they inadvertently provided Putin with the ammunition he needed to justify his invasion to "liberate" those areas.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 2 months ago
    I remember hearing on the news ten years ago that Putin was infiltrating Russians into the Donbas region of Ukraine to create a 5th-column of Russian-speaking "Ukrainians" that wanted to rejoin Mother Russia. So did America infiltrate the CIA to counter that?
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    • Posted by fairbro 2 months ago
      Donbass WAS and IS Russian. Russians have lived there for centuries. The opposition to Kiev arose after the Obama-Nuland-engineered coup d-etat in Kiev in 2014. After the coup, the US-installed anti-Russian puppet president banned the Russian language and dismantled 1000 years of the area's culture and heritage, criminalizing the church, banning Free Speech, etc. . Donbass seceded, exerciising their rHuman Rights of Self-Determinationj. Kiev then started bombing andf strafing Lugansk and Donetsk. They targeted Apartment buildings, churches, schools, even an orphanage. They strafed the central markets. Russia finally supplied anti-aircraft weapons to stop the carnage.

      Working with the Obama White House, Google/Youtube DELETED CENSORED all the videos of these war crimes. You my friend, are a victim of the media.
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      • Posted by ohiocrossroads 2 months ago
        Don't get me wrong. I'm not pro-Ukraine or pro'-Russia in this war. I just wish our politicians would stop sending our money over there and concentrate on solving our problems at home. Let regional conflicts be regional conflicts and not WW3.
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