Israel/Gaza: Ignore The Ugly Details. Focus on the Bigger Picture

Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 6 months ago to History
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Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu is a case in point here. If you think the guy responsible for one of the most aggressive ‘vaccine’ programmes in the world gives a smidgen of a damn about Jewish lives or Israeli lives then I’ve got a big canal across the Suez to sell you. If you’re still stuck in the ‘cock-up not conspiracy’ mindset, if you’re still persuaded that for all his faults ‘Bibi’ (or any other politician anywhere) is your guy, then you’re never going to progress to the next level of understanding, which is…

…that the Hamas incursion was an inside job. It is not essential to understand that Hamas was funded and created by Israeli intelligence, though obviously it helps. All you need to know is really basic stuff, stuff that everyone knows without needing to be say Defence Correspondent of the Daily Telegraph or Head of MI6 or Jerusalem bureau chief of the CIA, stuff like the fact that Israel has arguably the best intelligence services in the world, the best trained military in the world, the best technology in the world and the most closely protected borders in the world.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One bad decision doesn't predetermine a second, however. Yes, Israel undermined itself by jumping on the UN bandwagon in favor of COVID jabs. But to say that their leaders don't care about the population and want to go to war is beyond the pale and cynical beyond all rationalism.
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    Posted by 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are they all shills, working for Hamas’s famously well-funded and powerful propaganda division? Or is it more likely, perhaps, that they’re just ordinary folk waking up to the shocking reality that their own government must have allowed this operation in cahoots with Hamas because there’s no way it could have happened otherwise?

    If it’s the latter - as Occam’s Razor surely tells us it must be - then a range of possibilities opens up. One is that having stood down its defences for a few crucial hours, the Netanyahu regime allowed a thousand or so terrorists to let rip, unimpeded rounding up and torturing and killing innocent Israelis, be they pensioners on bus trips or pilled up kids at a trance rave. This, if that’s what happened, would be despicable: the Israeli state colluding in the murder of its own citizens. Another possibility is that some of the atrocity stories being related in the media are in fact based on fabricated incidents, that the number of deaths attributed to Hamas (as opposed to a shoot-first-asked-questions-later IDF) have been inflated and the circumstances misrepresented. This, in its way, would be equally despicable: the Israeli state making shit up in order to justify unleashing hell on the Palestinians.

    Either way - and I suspect it’s a mixture of both - the whole business stinks. Let me stress before I go on that I’m not doubting that large numbers of innocent people, both Israeli and Palestinian, have suffered horribly as a result of this cruel and needless bloodshed. I feel for ALL of them, and their families, whether they were killed, wounded, kidnapped, traumatised or deprived of their homes. So, if I use words like ‘psyop’, I’m certainly not belittling the reality of the victims’ suffering. What I’m questioning, rather, is the veracity of the narrative currently being presented to us in - or, more accurately, rammed down our throats by - the mainstream media.

    Consider, for example, the current noisome trend in both the MSM and on social media for what you might call ‘atrocity porn.’ Here is a picture of a mangled baby, with some of the bits blurred (for reader sensitivity, supposedly), together with a prurient message warning readers that this is the most graphic image the newspaper has reluctantly but necessarily chosen to publish. And there is a YouTube video titled Unbelievable Interview: Israeli Volunteer Collects Body Parts from Music Festival.

    This is NOT normal. Imagine if, every time there were a war or a natural disaster or any other incident involving violent death, the media felt pathologically compelled to rub your nose in every last graphic detail. It doesn’t generally do so for reasons including taste, propriety, sensitivity and the well understood principle that some things are better left unseen. So the fact that the media is now breaching all these basic rules ought to tell you about the trick being played here. Someone, somewhere, has decided to pull out all the stops here; to bludgeon your senses and your emotions as almost never before; to direct you, in case you were in any doubt, to understanding that this is the most hideous injustice you ever witnessed - and one that cries out for the bloodiest of retribution
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  • Posted by 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your comment has many truths to it.
    One place we digress is the leaders.
    Your assumption is that the leader’s actually want to benefit the people. In Israel’s leadership they forced the entire population to be jabbed. That is genocide so FuQ them. Most of the worlds leaders are puppets for the WEF not their citizens. Look no further than USA.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No debate that the Democrats are engaging in money laundering. They take advantage of any conflict - and frequently gin them up - to skim in the process. But the heart of the Middle East conflict is religious, i.e. a fundamental difference in the way these two peoples see the world. Americans are an outlier where the secular takes precedence over the religious: most of the rest of the world is the other way around and it is sometimes difficult for us to understand that for them, ideology comes before money. I've talked with people on both sides of this conflict and it is very real and very religious. I'm just not seeing this as being a false flag operation or psyop given the greater conflict been going on for hundreds of years.

    What does it gain the Israelis to sacrifice 2% of their population (very common in these wars) and 40% of their tax revenues to engage in war with their neighbors - let alone instigate it? That's the question one has to answer.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Both Israel intel chief and BiBi say the intel was ignored or a failure to act or understand. They both said after the war it should be investigated. Your Strawman arguement does not make you look clever.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Weird Obama flew billions in cash to Iran and BUYdem sent 7 billion to Iran.a week before the attack, But we aren't funding them. They have been successful in convincing you Its a religous thing, not a $ laundering, distraction to the criminality permeating our govt anf judicial system.
    ignore stuff like the fact that Israel has arguably the best intelligence services in the world, the best trained military in the world, the best technology in the world and the most closely protected borders in the world but paragliders could thwart those secure borders.
    ignore that the Mossad chief said we had an intelligence failure and BiBi agreed and said "after the war we need to look into it"
    Remember Colleen Rowley who alerted the DC FBLie about Zacarias Moussaoui pre 911.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's my understanding that from a Muslim's point of view all non-Muslims are second class people only allowed to live to pay a tax to Muslims or as slaves. Therefore, Jew, Christian, Hindu, and any other non-Muslim is second class.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Appreciated. I have an ulcerated hole on the right side of my left foot that could get into bone with a nasty result.
    Six years ago I had an ulcerated hole on the bottom of my big toe on the same foot. I could actually see a tiny display of white bone with a hand mirror. The toe was saved. Today I could not see any bone.
    I've been told to stay off my feet right when I was to start Christmas shopping early like I did last year.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Banksters fund both sides of all conflicts all created by them. Debt. The Banksters will do the lending. Israel needs 14 billion to get the babies buried and tech to defend against the para. Gliders. Plus a reward for being the Most vaxed country on the the. Planet. The interest on 33+ trillion, well , without unlimited fiat currency…insolvency . You can see the drive to The great reset.
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    The formation of the Bank of England in 1694,
    The establishment of the American Colonies,
    The American Revolution,
    The Bank of North America in 1781,
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    The panic of 1837,
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    The Treaty of Washington 1871.
    In terms of shaping the society we live in today, these are possibly the most significant events in pre-modern Anglo-Saxon history. The most fascinating characteristic of this 800-year timeline is the common thread that interweaves these events together. That common thread, is the City of London
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  • Posted by Aeronca 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are 315 million Muslims in the Middle East and 7 million Jews. That's pretty clear!
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  • Posted by Aeronca 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: SpidySense and bloodshed, agreed. There a Bible story, and it is a story, about Abraham, kicking out Hagar and Ishmael, because his wife Sarah finally got pregnant. The phrase in that story that predicts the future is "and the descendants of Ishmael will be forever at the hand of man." Seems like the human beings who wrote that story knew something about what was going on. But that makes it convenient to blame the Jews I guess. If only Abraham was nice to all his children instead of trying to kill one of them, then Jews and Muslims would be sharing Cokes? It's just a story, but it depicts the situation of Muslims being at odds not merely with Jews but with the whole world. There is only one sura in the Koran that I need to remember. "If a Muslim lies to another Muslim he goes to Hell. But if I Muslim lies to a non-Muslim he may still go to Heaven." If that's in the book, we're going to have some trust issues. Logically speaking! Muslims have scriptural permission to lie to non-Muslims.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 year, 6 months ago
    Been gone all day due to a medical problem. Read some of this before I left and have been thinking about it in a waiting room and so forth.
    Did some research on Netanyahu and the Covid vaccine when I got back after I took my usual old man's afternoon nap to clear my head.
    Learned he took the first Pfizer shot (yahoo for yahu) yet what followed was some controversy about it that I failed to get a handle on.
    Didi find an article where he claimed he was not making anyone take the jab but I don't really know what to think abiut whatever the hell happened over there.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanya...
    Not knowing what to think includes the accusation that Netanyahu made some kind of deal to pull an inside job with Hamas who his armed forces are killing right now. Like . . . huh?
    Is he rigging a war to look good to Israeli voters? I find it hard to imagine. Yeah, even though I bet that has happened before at some place or another.
    And maybe Net doesn't care about his people. Me dunno.
    I'm wondering if like Trump's Operation Light-speed he got just as suckered by Big Pharma, who pumped a dangerous product.
    Last I heard Trump is still in denial about that. The greatest president of my lifetime is yet an imperfect human being, also especially about who he appoints. The Kraken was a guppy and so was Barr.
    I'll keep my mind open but admittedly I'm having trouble with someone who may be a Yahoo rigging a war that may lead to World War III.
    Signing off to give CVS a call. The antibiotics that the doctor said would be ready and waiting weren't because a computer was down around 3PM. I could lose a foot but what the hell?
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Usa should NOT get involved in this war on either side. If the middle easteners want to fight let them, until one or all of them just run out of money and people
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 6 months ago
    I am not reall interested in the nature of the Hamas/Israeli conflict. It has little to do with the USA, and we should just stay out of it. If Israel wants to fight Hamas or Iran, let them.
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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 1 year, 6 months ago
    As an Ashkenazi Jew (Grandparents descendent from Latvia after the Bolshevik revolution. Think: Fiddler On The Roof) I have heard the stories all my life. As I grew up, I kept hearing other (negative) aspects of the Jewish faith and wondered what all the fuss is about.
    Well, much to my disconcertion, there is a dark aspect of Judaism. That is, who are are real descendants? There are the Oriental Jews, who look like any other Arab or "middle easterner", and are most likely of the original tribes. Then there are the European Jews, converts, mostly descendants of Kazakhstans, as my family was.
    Oriental Jews typically don't consider themselves Zionists or followers of the Talmud. These are European Jewish contrivements.
    For centuries the Oriental Jews lived in peace with the Bedouins, the Arab Muslims and the Coptic Christians. It was only after the Balfour Declaration (1917) that European Jews started migrating into the area. After 1948 when the UN made Israel an official country, European Jews flooded into the area, upsetting what was then a natural balance of very small and scattered settlements going back a millennia or more.
    My personal assessment is that the Oriental Jews and Coptic Christians were treated pretty much second class citizens in every way the mattered. When the European Jews came in, they had the political and financial leverage as well as the will and backbone to change the tide.
    Hence where we are today. The Bedouins never liked or wanted outsiders (European Jews) in the mix, they like things the way they were. (Oriental Jews and Coptic Christians as second class citizens) and they have been at loggerheads ever since.
    I don't want to speculate as to how all this plays out, but my Spidy-Sense™ tells me, there will be bloodshed. And lots of it.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 6 months ago
    Gotta say I'm incredibly skeptical of this. It's a matter of history that Israel has been attacked by Islam since 1948 on - long before Netanyahu ever became a politician. And I'm sorry but as someone who has had a personal conversation with an ex-PLO propagandist, I'm going to cry nonsense that Hamas is a creation of Israeli intelligence. To what end?

    "Israel has arguably the best intelligence services in the world, the best trained military in the world, the best technology in the world and the most closely protected borders in the world."

    And why? Because their very existence has been challenged for 80 years. Non-stop. Rockets into Gaza didn't happen just because Netanyahu became PM. Suicide bombers and terrorists haven't been anti-Semitic as a result of CIA interference. This is a religious conflict - not a political one.
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 1 year, 6 months ago
    So... it is hard to find proof because it is not available due to the machinations of the "Fill in the blank: ists.
    But if we ignore the details we can catch the big picture. Huh?
    Trouble is the "Big" picture is only in the imaginative conclusion of his mind. After all since we can't prove true or false we can say it's true and no one can prove otherwise.

    Unprovable specious Premise - since Mossad is the greatest intelligence service they could not have been caught unaware. Therefore they must have known and are complicit in engineering this Hamas atrocity. What? One does not follow the other. Crap logic. One could also conclude that Hamas secretly runs Israel.
    By that premise we can also include the CIA FBI KGB and every single intelligence service in the world and the Aliens. Every agency worth its salt could not have been caught unaware so they must be complicit.

    My head is spinning from the self serving illogical reasoning. Maybe they really were caught unaware as they say and no further insanity needs to be followed.
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  • Posted by GaryL 1 year, 6 months ago
    Interesting how the money, Our Money, flows so freely in times of wars. International military aide should be loans that must be repaid but instead we just toss our money away on wars that have no ends. Politicians in every country love wars and they all line up outside the banks with wheelbarrows. Change my mind!
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