Crime Prevention

Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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A vague poll. Who here approves of crime prevention?



Me, I oppose crime prevention. I far prefer crime *punishment*.


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  • Posted by 12 years, 3 months ago
    Okay, here's the example I try to use, because, at least for me, it's a very subtle and difficult to explain thing:

    I consider the anti texting-while-driving laws to be an example of crime prevention.

    No harm is done texting while driving. There's no connection between texting and car accidents.

    The connection is between not being in control of your vehicle and having an accident.

    Maybe khalling is a super genius who can devote equal attention to driving and texting. She, perhaps, can drive from LA to NY writing texts nonstop and never even approach an accident.

    Anti-texting laws prevent her from doing something she's capable of doing perfectly well, simply because *I* can't do it.

    But, I'm still not explaining it well enough.

    I oppose laws that remove the capability of committing a crime.

    You can do A; if you do A, we will put you in jail.

    Now, in order to do A, you have to have, or be able to also do, B, which is a perfectly normal, mundane operation. So, instead of punishing you for having actually committed the crime of A, I nab you for B.

    What got me thinking about this again was the movie "Minority Report" . I just saw it for the first time on cable the other day.

    In the movie, they can predict when you will commit a murder. So you are arrested before you can commit it.

    I oppose that.

    It's very difficult for me to explain, it's one of those things I have a "gut feeling" about.

    Another favorite example is the seat belt laws. I can get a ticket if I don't have a seat belt on... why? Not having the seat belt on won't rape anyone, won't murder anyone, at worst it puts my life at risk (and I've known people who held the opposite view, including two aunts who were convinced the seat belt shoulder harness gave them breast cancer.) Yet, I can be punished for not wearing it (guess who benefits from such laws? Insurance companies...)
    Personally, I have a terror of being trapped alive in a car by my seat belt and drowning. It's not a strong likelihood, but who gets to decide what's best for my life... me, or an actuarial table?
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 3 months ago
    I need definitions of each. Although, off the top of my head...the gun grabbers like people to believe taking other's gun rights away would prevent crime....so I'm going with crime punishment. Crime prevention, like environmentalism...is a myth... it plays on people's feel-good/do-goodery heart strings, but results in a pile of wasted time and money.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 12 years, 3 months ago
    Depends. What kind of tactics would be involved in each one?
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    • Posted by $ johnrobert2 12 years, 3 months ago
      My daughter, believe it or not, is a strong believer in corporal punishment. In fact, she did an expository paper for her English class about 2-3 yrs ago from a pro standpoint. My discipline of her has been firm, and when needed, application of the 'tree of knowledge to the seat of learning'. I've only needed to resort to that 3-4 times in 17 years. If you're interested, read "Starship Troopers" (the original, not the one taken from the screenplay) and peruse LtCol DuBois' definition of juvenile criminality and adult delinquency.
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 12 years, 3 months ago
    I'm more in the vein of the techniques found in 'Starship Troopers".
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    • Posted by 12 years, 3 months ago
      The movie or the book?

      So is that a vote for crime prevention, or for crime punishment?
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      • Posted by $ johnrobert2 12 years, 3 months ago
        The book, of course. The movie is a total travesty of the philosophical thesis RAH was trying to propose. I would suppose you would say crime punishment but a very strong dose of crime prevention. Johnny Rico was fond of ruminating on his having witnessed a couple of instances of punishment and wanted no part of it.
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