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Tesla didn’t so much pioneer the modern electric car as it did the modern electric car grift.

Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 7 months ago to Government
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Excerpt:
"It worked like this:

The people who constitute the federal government decreed that businesses that earn money via free exchange would either have to waste money complying with federal regulations obliging them to reduce their “emissions” of the dread inert gas carbon dioxide – as by manufacturing “zero emissions” EVs themselves – or pay Tesla for credits that could then be credited against their own “emissions” for not manufacturing EVs. Tesla being given credit for producing cars that don’t “emit” the dread inert gas carbon dioxide at the tailpipe but never mind the “emissions” emitted in the course of making them – and powering them.

In this way, Tesla got the government to finance its business while at the same time hobbling rival businesses. GM, Ford, Stellantis (the combine that owns Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep and Ram trucks) spent money financing Tesla, via the carbon credits they were essentially forced to buy from Tesla.

It’s the crony capitalist analog of the wasp that stings – and paralyzes its prey and then lays its egg on the victim, which remains alive while the baby wasp gradually consumes it, alive."
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If we participate, if we do not protest, if we do business buying the products that can't compete in a free market and accept the crumbs that government offers for our participation in the conspiracy, we are consenting to enslavement of our children and grandchildren for their entire lives.
Now is the time to STRIKE back against these cronies of government.
Bankrupt these b@$t@rd$ while we still can survive.


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    Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The point is the morality is determined by society and changes over time, and while we all would like to deny this, it does. Up until 200 years ago it was perfectly moral to own slaves. Divorce or having a child out of wedlock was considered immoral until recently, and ALL of these alphabet sexualities/ genders were considered not just immoral or illegal but even mental illnesses. Personally I still believe that those are mental illnesses but that's not the discussion at this time. By and large legal does equal moral. Not necessarily right but yes moral.

    Killing someone is normally considered wrong; yet, there are times that it is acceptable (self defense) or carried out by the state (Capitol Punishment) or even encouraged (war).

    What Elon has done with Tesla, is legal and moral. You can argue over whether or not it is right.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You missed my point. Reality is. And Reality is not subject to the whims of man regarding anything - especially not what is considered legal. That's my point. You keep trying to make the equivalency of legal = moral and that's where your argument fails. Reality's standard of morals doesn't care what human beings want to declare "legal."
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, that would qualify but consider how much would you say that the common US citizen would "defend the Constitution."
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That seems to be a matter of opinion in this matter and while I somewhat agree with you. He hasn't broken the law and is working in his own best interest.
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  • Posted by nonconformist 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Elon became a US citizen through the naturalization process which involves the oath of allegiance. Does that not qualify?
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Everyone who produces and stores value in the USD is poorer.
    Everyone who has lost freedom to the Deep State is poorer.
    Accepting the bribes of the state by Tesla is still looting.
    They need not have invented looting to participate.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reading your list it occurred to me, what happens if the swarm signal just shuts off?

    From an old Star Trek episode, "Landrue, guide us!"
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  • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Alas, you are correct, except I see Musk as more of an opportunist to put out a product he loves rather than a snake like Boyle who's in it for pure greed. Arguably looters of different feathers, perhaps?
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  • Posted by $ jdg 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I have to side with eyecu2 on this point. The subsidies were enacted into law before Musk formed Tesla, and I don't think he sent lobbyists to create them. Further, several models of subsidized electric and hybrid cars came before the first Tesla model. Musk just created a bigger and better electric car, partly enabled by the grift. But I don't see him as making anybody poorer, since the subsidies came from federal debt that will never be paid back.

    I'm more bothered by Musk's Solar City, where he both had a more direct connection to starting the grift and played a shell game with Tesla funds to bail out Solar City when its subsidies ran out. I suppose this is a cautionary tale, the moral being never to invest in the companies of someone so rich it is effectively impossible to sue him when he screws his shareholders.

    Maybe I'm wrong. Let's discuss this more.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    History is rife with the whims of man. George Washington was no hero to the English, nor was Alexander the Great a hero to those that he conquered. Jeff Davis and Robert E Lee were hero's until the North wrote the history. Time will reveal how history will remember Elon or if it even will.

    But he is working towards what he believes is his best interest.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Though I still stand by my statement that he is working in his best interest."

    As you point out, Stalin and Hitler thought the same. The question is whether or not Reality agrees. And it would only agree if it were subject to the whims of man...
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reality and fiction are very different. Rarely is anything in reality as clear cut are things are in fiction.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As Elon was born in South Africa and is a citizen of his birth country, then why would he have any allegiance to the American Constitution?

    Heck unless one has taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution, much as military members or elected officials do, I don't believe there is any inherent duty to defend the constitution.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Everyone is a hero in their own story. Do you think that Hitler or Stalin et al believed that they were Evil? I have not argued that Elon is a hero. In fact I think that the title of this thread is appropriate. I would go so far as to call Elon the modern King of grift, though Fauci would love to usurp him. Though I still stand by my statement that he is working in his best interest.
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  • Posted by nonconformist 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Does Musk not have the duty to defend the constitution?

    I don't even think that stuff make sense. Shouldn't the carbon credits work by having people who extract carbon get paid by those who put it out? As far as I know Tesla isn't extracting carbon.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 1 year, 7 months ago
    In an electric car, you are going to be sitting on 500 pounds of Lithium batteries that catch fire when they get wet! Trucks will be adding 1,000 pounds. This should help our bridges and roads. You'll wear out the tires on your car sooner.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just thought of one more thing: what do you do about Emergency vehicles? Do they become the automatic swarm controller? How does one authenticate/differentiate between a "privileged" vehicle and a non-privileged vehicle? Are there different levels of privilege/priority? Not sure how one does that at anything but a centralized level...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The networking for swarm drones is fairly light weight, since it doesn't communicate backwards to home base. It's a local area network."

    It is anything but lightweight. At a minimum, you have to establish ALL of the following:

    1) Method for determining size/scope of a given swarm.
    2) Method for adding a vehicle to a given swarm.
    3) Method for determining how a swarm member is promoted to boss/controller.
    4) Method for determining how a swarm member is demoted.
    5) Method for removing a vehicle from a given swarm
    6) Method for communicating between swarms to determine co-membership/exclusivity ***
    7) Method for determining events necessary to broadcast to swarm
    8) Method for transmitting event information to swarm (bandwidth-intensive)
    9) Method for tracking ALL operations of EVERY vehicle in a given swarm
    10) Method for sharing ALL tracking information with every member of a swarm
    11) Method for continuous polling of swarm members
    12) Error handling of continuous polling for swarm members
    13) Broadcast networking technical details such as range/power, frequency, etc.
    14) Broadcast networking band plan based on area to prevent conflicts

    Some of those items are less intensive than others, but overall, that's a HUGE amount of data you've got constantly flying around plugging up the airwaves. That's a TREMENDOUS amount of EM being generated and keeping it sorted and manageable (not to mention safe for the human occupants).

    It's a lot bigger project than first glance suggests.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We are discussing Elon's looting activities at Tesla which are clear.
    Twitter is a completely different issue which is yet to play out.
    Elon may yet prove to have some good principles, but his actions at Tesla
    are in conflict with such.
    If his looting acts at Tesla are praised he will never learn and never be
    comparable to D'Anconia.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By your same logic you justify Dr. Fauci making $300 million off of "vaccines" which didn't even work... You go down that road if you want but I'm not travelling it with you. Just because something is legal does not make it moral.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are NOT Wrong!

    Except that AI now plays Chess, Go, and most other strategy games better than humans. And AI Fighter Pilots are already winning, and can take the equipment beyond human capabilities.

    They will never be "fool proof" because "fools are too ingenious!" LOL... That's why they will self-insure.

    The networking for swarm drones is fairly light weight, since it doesn't communicate backwards to home base. It's a local area network. Combined with absolute sensors. They can even detect a single vehicle in the midst that is not able to participate.

    The interesting part with cars will be one one car can be at the BACK of one swarm, and the HEAD of another.

    I do believe the singularity will come in my lifetime. I was lucky enough to be alive when Kasparov MISSED the date when computers would crush him...

    With ALL of the training videos. The ability to have AI Generate more training videos, of ever increasing complexity.

    The inherent destruction of value will be startling.
    In Swarm mode... Very few body shops are needed. All car insurance companies will end up out of business. (besides nobody can afford the cars).
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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 1 year, 7 months ago
    The second issue, and perhaps the most significant is the vehicle’s complexity. Modern ICE cars are already so complex, one can no longer diagnose and fix their own vehicle. Even if you could. The parts are crazy expensive and so diverse you will never be assured the factory will support your vehicle in the mid to long term future. Now add to this complexity an all electric vehicle with ever-changing software versions, and this spell’s disaster for long term ownership.
    I just watched an old buck mechanic who spelled it out clearly. He is done fixing modern cars. Too much to go wrong. He finding cars that would look totally in place on a used car lot but are in a salvage yard because what is wrong with it exceeded cars value. This is only going to get worse as time goes on. Older repairable cars are going to increase in demand for all the obvious reasons. Think of what happened in Cuba and you’ll see the picture
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