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3 Reasons There's Something Sinister With the Big Push for Electric Vehicles by Nick Giambruno

Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 10 months ago to Politics
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25 refrigerators.

That's how much the additional electricity consumption per household would be if the average US home adopted electric vehicles (EVs).

Congressman Thomas Massie—an electrical engineer—revealed this information while discussing with Pete Buttigieg, the Secretary of Transportation, President Biden's plan to have 50% of cars sold in the US be electric by 2030.

The current and future grid in most places will not be able to support each home running 25 refrigerators—not even close. Just look at California, where the grid is already buckling under the existing load.

Massie claims, correctly, in my view, that the notion of widespread adoption of electric vehicles anytime soon is a dangerous fantasy based on political science, not sound engineering.

Nonetheless, governments, the media, academia, large corporations, and celebrities tout an imminent "transition" to EVs as if it's preordained from above.

It's not.

You no doubt have heard of the term "fossil fuels" before.

When the average person hears "fossil fuels," they think of a dirty technology that belongs in the 1800s. Many believe they are burning dead dinosaurs to power their cars.

They also think "fossil fuels" will destroy the planet within a decade and run out soon—despite the fact that, after water, oil is the second most abundant liquid on this planet.

None of these ridiculous notions are true, but many people believe them. Using propaganda terms like "fossil fuels" plays a large role.

Orwell was correct when he said that corrupting the language can corrupt people's thoughts.

I suggest expunging "fossil fuels" from your vocabulary in favor of hydrocarbons—a much better and more precise word.

A hydrocarbon is a molecule made up of carbon and hydrogen atoms. These molecules are the building blocks of many different substances, including energy sources like coal, oil, and gas. These energy sources have been the backbone of the global economy for decades, providing power for industries, transportation, and homes.

Now, on to the three reasons EVs are a giant scam at best and possibly something much worse.

Reason #1: EVs Are Not Green
The central premise for EVs is they help to save the planet from carbon because they use electricity instead of gas.

It's astounding so few think to ask, what generates the electricity that powers EVs?

Hydrocarbons generate over 60% of the electricity in the US. That means there's an excellent chance that oil, coal, or gas is behind the electricity charging an EV.

It's important to emphasize carbon is an essential element for life on this planet. It's what humans exhale and what plants need to survive.

After decades of propaganda, Malthusian hysterics have created a twisted perception in many people's minds that carbon is a dangerous substance that must be reduced to save the planet.

Let's entertain this bogus premise momentarily and assume carbon is bad.

Even by this logic, EVs do not really reduce carbon emissions; they just rearrange them.

Further, extracting and processing the exotic materials needed to make EVs requires tremendous power in remote locations, which only hydrocarbons can provide.

Additionally, EVs require an enormous amount of rare elements and metals—like lithium and cobalt—that companies mine in conditions that couldn't remotely be considered friendly to the environment.

Analysts estimate that each EV requires around one kilogram of rare earth elements. Extracting and processing these rare elements produces a massive amount of toxic waste. That's why it mainly occurs in China, which doesn't care much about environmental concerns.

In short, the notion that EVs are green is laughable.

It's simply the thin patina of propaganda that governments need as a pretext to justify the astronomical taxpayer subsidies for EVs.

Reason #2: EVs Can't Compete Without Government Support
For many years, governments have heavily subsidized EVs through rebates, sales tax exemptions, loans, grants, tax credits, and other means.

According to the Wall Street Journal, US taxpayers will subsidize EVs by at least $393 billion in the coming years—more than the GDP of Hong Kong.

To put that in perspective, if you earned $1 a second 24/7/365—about $31 million per year—it would take you over 12,677 YEARS to make $393 billion.

And that's not even considering the immense subsidies and government support that have occurred in the past.

Furthermore, governments impose burdensome regulations and taxes on gasoline vehicles to make EVs seem relatively more attractive.

Even with this enormous government support, EVs can barely compete with gasoline vehicles.

According to J.D. Power, a consumer research firm, the average EV still costs at least 21% more than the average gasoline vehicle.

Without government support, it's not hard to see how the market for EVs would evaporate as they would become unaffordable for the vast majority of people.

In other words, the EV market is a giant mirage artificially propped up by extensive government intervention.

It begs the question, why are governments going all out to push an obviously uneconomic scam?

While they are undoubtedly corrupt thieves and simply stupid, something more nefarious could also be at play.

Reason #3: EVs Are About Controlling You
EVs are spying machines.

They collect an unimaginable amount of data on you, which governments can access easily.

Analysts estimate that cars generate about 25 gigabytes of data every hour.

Seeing how governments could integrate EVs into a larger high-tech control grid doesn't take much imagination. The potential for busybodies—or worse—to abuse such a system is obvious.

Consider this.

The last thing any government wants is an incident like what happened with the Canadian truckers rebelling against vaccine mandates.

Had the Canadian truckers' vehicles been EVs, the government would have been able to stamp out the resistance much easier.

Here's the bottom line.

The people really in charge do not want the average person to have genuine freedom of movement or access to independent power sources.

They want to know everything, keep you dependent, and have the ability to control everything, just like how a farmer would with his cattle. They think of you in similar terms.

That's why gasoline vehicles have to go and why they are trying to herd us into EVs.

Conclusion
To summarize, EVs are not green, cannot compete with gas cars without enormous government support, and are probably a crucial piece of the emerging high-tech control grid.

The solution is simple: eliminate all government subsidies and support and let EVs compete on their own merits in a totally free market.

But that's unlikely to happen.

Instead, it's only prudent to expect them to push EVs harder and harder.

If EVs were simply government-subsidized status symbols for wealthy liberals who want to virtue signal how they think they're saving the planet, that would be bad enough.

But chances are, the big push for EVs represents something much worse.

Along with 15-minute cities, carbon credits, CBDCs, digital IDs, phasing out hydrocarbons and meat, vaccine passports, an ESG social credit system, and the war on farmers, EVs are likely an integral part of the Great Reset—the dystopian future the global elite has envisioned for mankind.

In reality, the so-called Great Reset is a high-tech form of feudalism.

Sadly, most of humanity has no idea what is coming.
(From Doug Casey newsletter)


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  • Posted by 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    EV's work fine for the rich (unless they catch fire when charging
    and burn down the garage and the attached mansion.)
    They are not competitive on cost of ownership.
    That is not fine for those who are not wealthy.
    Not having enough range may be fine for the rich who
    never have to drive more than 100 miles. It is not fine
    for family vacations by car. It is not fine for working people who
    drive trucks that haul heavy tools, building materials, heavy
    equipment, etc.
    I'd love it if EV's were competitive on cost and capability,
    but they are not.
    And cost gets worse when the taxes on miles driven are added in
    the future (as they already are on hydrocarbon fueled vehicles.)
    Forcing everyone to pay for toys for the rich is slavery.
    This is not the middle ages and Americans are not serfs.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have plenty of firearms and ammo. Building out a couple more recently. I like building them. Nice to know everything that is in there and how it works.

    Now a problem with a 7.62x39 AR that won't go into battery. More tinkering, heh heh.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    AGW or AGC, it is all about power and disrupting the status quo. Science need not apply.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jealous of the Shatner pic! I wrote a defense of Kirk as a cultural icon in high school.

    Big Star Trek fan too. I have the original technical manuals, Enterprise blueprints and a signed picture of Michael Dorn as Wharf. Have an TOS comm box on the wall of my office.
    https://startrekunlimited.com/product...

    Can't believe Shatner was the one to be the richest and the longest lived.

    There was an actual Captain James (Adam) Kirk in the Navy recently. He was on the DDG1000 program when I knew him.
    https://www.cnet.com/culture/captain-...
    Made Admiral and retired.
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  • Posted by WilliamRThomas 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't say subsidies were necessary for success.

    I said that in the case of Tesla, I doubt it. And indeed for many companies I doubt it.

    I did say that most every big company that invests somewhere gets some tax breaks or whatever. Costco (or the developers) just negotiated a big tax discount for building a store near my house.

    I abhor this situation. I'm for lower taxes and no subsidies as a general policy.

    Yet one cannot hate one company in particular for doing what most all companies do these days, without giving similar treatment to all like cases.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No Tesla did not sell more cars. Tesla wasn't in the top 10 auto companies in unit sales for any of those years.
    GM and Ford were in the top 10 every year. This is true for US unit sales and for global unit sales.
    No one has "figured out how to make electric cars at a reasonable cost".
    All car companies are making EVs only due to government force and/or government financial subsidies.
    Tesla is still selling carbon credits created by government (to promote EV's that can't compete otherwise)
    to other car companies. Every single dollar of carbon credits sold is a government created subsidy to
    Tesla (and stolen from other car makers.)
    Tesla carbon credit subsidies: '19- $600 million, '20 - $1,580 million, '21 - $1,430 million, '22 - $1,780 million
    Add to that the $7,500 tax rebate subsidy for each Tesla purchased in the US.
    If EV's could compete in the free market there would be no need for subsidies.
    I'd love to have more efficient vehicles, but EV's aren't good enough yet to make it in a free market.
    The only logical reason for government to subsidize EV's now is to control and loot people and to
    reduce individual liberty, imo.
    D.C. is tyranny. NIFO
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Petroleum companies have gotten lots of subsidies of one kind and other, too. Do you hate them?"

    You're the one who asserts on the one hand you are against subsidies yet you keep talking about all these companies that get them as if they are necessary for success. It seems to me your argument isn't with me, but with yourself.

    My ideal would be that government wouldn't be involved. No industry-specific taxes. No subsidies. Let the market do its job.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope. StarTrek fanboi... I had a couple of nicknames... Captain stuck...
    And I have an Autographed Photo from Shatner...
    To Kirk... From Kirk... One of the few prized possessions. (Some warn to never meet your heroes... I suggest meeting them... After you realized they were just flawed men, like all the rest... Then it's great! LOL)
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fuel use for utility is about the same as the fuel use for transportation. EVs are twice as efficient as ICE vehicles. Thus, moving 100% of the transportation load to the grid adds 50% to the grid energy (not power). To get from energy to power, you have to consider the demand factor and loading. Demand factor (how often charging occurs is a lot less than 50%. Loading (when to charge) is completely controllable. The load can be added when it is lightest (night). The peak power increase is ~25%. This is simple.

    1) Yes, but unquantified (like I said), and unclear if this is severely affected by EVs. Nuclear power increases local radiation irrelevantly, and it might even decrease total radiation by reducing carbon 14 in coal.
    2) Unquantified
    3) Unquantified, and may not even be real. The next magnet tech is Iron Nitride, not rare earth
    4) Yes, for now, The US and Australia also have what is needed, AND may be irrelevant (to EVs) soon enough
    5) Exaggerated. The weight of EVs is 700-800 lbs more than an ICE, not double. Batteries have doubled in energy density every 10 years.
    6) No - SAE adapted Tesla's plug as the new standard: https://www.sae.org/news/press-room/2...
    7) No - About the same level concern as Range Anxiety, explained above.
    8) Overwhelmingly irrelevant
    9) Cold reduces EV range by 30%, irrelevant.
    10) Fires are not from water. They are from battery overheating. There is not elemental lithium to liberate hydrogen. Fires are a concern. Water is not the cause.
    11) If you have to replace the battery. A new battery does cost a lot. The batteries last 100k-200k miles. Most people don't keep cars that long. The replacement battery market has not gotten off the ground yet. Arguing that this customer need will not be met by industry is laughable in a website dedicated to capitalism. https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping...
    12) Agree. EVs are not the solution to trucking. Trains and diesel works. If you believe in CO2, convert ALL ethanol production to biodiesel - DONE.

    You need to get your facts from places that are not loaded with cognitive dissonance from reactions to subsidies and spiteful reaction to political opponents.
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  • Posted by WilliamRThomas 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That loan was paid off way before the period I referenced. And Ford getting larger one didn't make them a big success in electric cars. So was that loan crucial and necessary? I doubt it. But sure, one can claim so.

    I'm not in favor of that loan, but it was paid off well before Tesla had begun to manufacture their main mass-market vehicles, the models 3 and Y.

    All I'm asking if that you all be objective.

    Petroleum companies have gotten lots of subsidies of one kind and other, too. Do you hate them?

    Get out of the echo chamber.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Boat? Literal? A Cruise Ship. A friends boat (15 yrs ago).
    Boat... Meaning ideological ride... With you, it was the details on ICE efficiency and Battery Efficiency, I believe about 2+ years ago.

    Boat... As a reference to "Well-grounded"... Well now you understand what being on the spectrum causes someone like me... LOL
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "a big loan from the Department of Energy"

    That's all I should need to say. Government loans are subsidies. Always have been. In my book, it's a contradictory position to say you are against subsidies while immediately celebrating Tesla's success...
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  • Posted by WilliamRThomas 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The biggest subsidy Tesla got was a big loan from the Department of Energy (like some other companies got, too). Tesla paid it off early. Would they not have succeeded without the subsidies? It's hard to know a counter-factual. Lots of other companies failed despite getting subsidies.
    And as I remarked, Tesla did quite well in 2019-2021 without subsidies at the margin (I mean, per car subsidies, at least at the Federal level in the US.)
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Without those subsidies, Tesla wouldn't exist as a company. You're cherry-picking your data to suit your narrative.

    "So you must hate all big businesses and all major investments."

    When those are sponsored using tax dollars? YES. See keiretsu. They are direct interference in the market by government fingers.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're going to have to do a lot more work to convince me the grid is a non-issue. All the data I've seen says that we would need at least a 50% production boost in power plants to handle the extra load. If you can show me otherwise...

    As for the rest, there are always theories and I'm not saying there can't be solutions. I'm just noting what the existing and outstanding problems are rather than glossing over them or trying to ignore them.

    1. Real.
    2. Real.
    3. Real.
    4. Real.
    5. Fact.
    6. Fact.
    7. Disputed. Awaiting data.
    8. Fact.
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  • Posted by WilliamRThomas 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That count includes normal tax discounts for investments (such as in Nevada). All businesses of any size negotiate these. So you must hate all big businesses and all major investments.

    Again, I was just talking about electric car subsidies unique to electric cars, and the period 2019-2021. But hey, confound normal business with direct product subsidies if you want.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good Sir... This is why I asked you, and why I APPRECIATE your participation here.
    When you reply to things, I take them quite seriously, as you have proven to be well-grounded!
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Blar-buddy. That is a diatribe. Some is true, but much is unquantified. Charger differences is about as big an issue now as Apple's lightning vs micro USB. As I noted above, the grid is a non-issue as well.

    There are solutions to the rare earth issue already, and a bunch more on the way. Battery and rare earth recycling is already massively uinderway. We buy recycled magnets for some of our electric machines.

    We need to object to the real objectionable things: FORCE = regulation, legislation, subsidy, tax relief. EVs work fine.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree! Getting independent of foreign oil is the quickest solution to terrorism. Much cheaper than military options.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That could be. I started to look into this. This data is VERY difficult to actually get. I am skeptical that the EV vs ICE vehicle delta is really that high.

    I DO NOT see that anyone has definitively proven CO2 is the root of any issue. It is clear that
    1. CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas
    2. Water vapor is THE greenhouse gas in ALL models showing warming
    3. CO2 is assumed (not physics) to precipitate water vapor.

    Here is the NASA cite, now admitting as much.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/

    In terms of "belief" (which I avoid after Rickover's Nazis drilled me about it), I believe the climate experts always knew it wasn't fundamentally CO2, but funding drove their publications. After arguing and discussing with several (including the head of the dept at Rochester University), they will admit CO2 is not the actual greenhouse gas, and it is probably water vapor. They will also admit that they don't know how CO2 causes water vapor.

    These science geeks have money and some control. They never had any, and don't wield it responsibly. They are as easily corrupted by this as by the attention of a pretty girl.

    My fundamental view is that no one knows enough to legislate away our freedoms regarding CO2.

    Getting independent on oil is good. It takes away the funding from terrorists, and is much cheaper than military solutions to terror. We should be pursuing nuclear much harder, and get rid of the stupid regulatory impediments. We should NOT subsidize anything.
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