CBJ:
Right on, brotherman!
Am with you all the way on your post and
Thanking you

you wrote: "I doubt you ever sympathized in the first place."

You're correct. I've never been sympathetic to substance abusers. I was just being polite.

So you do understand the issue. That said, I'm not looking to go down the rabbit hole of therapeutic drugs of any stripe. That's a different BATTLE. Not a different issue but t a very different fight.

You know full well that I'm discussing drugs that are taken solely for getting high. Yes, I know that lots of those people try to wrap that usage under the disguise of 'treating their mental health' but as you so astutely recognized -- I DON'T CARE! ;^)

You can blame Big Pharma, but what I see is a collection of corporations that were savvy enough to place themselves into what is known as a 'rent seeking' position and earn the government's stamp of approval. That's lawful business.

But like it or not, lawful or unlawful, it's going to happen. All evidence proves that to be true.

Yes! Right!

Absolutely NIFO.
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"FIND OUT THE PEOPLE THAT WENT TO THAT ISLAND."
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If this Name was an accurate description of what it’s about you would remove the prevention of. But the Sound of Freedom has the Narrative seeded with the villagers.

War is and has been underway for several years … see my Trump takes down the king_or _Trump cuts the head off of the snake posts for clear evidence .

This is what you wrote:
“My whole tirade is based on the war we lost. (Not Vietnam) The War on Drugs. Yes, the war that the US Government lost to a bunch of stoners.”

The US Govt intelligence brought the drugs in. How can the US Govt lose a war ,when fighting itself.

Next , you think the big Pharma poison pushers should have total immunity. From your reply ( I think that the INDIVIDUAL is the party that is responsible for EVERY consequence() of taking those drugs!) When drug companies push their substances with advertisements filled with flowers and sunsets. After willfully hiding negative reactions in efficacy testing. Than you realize your capitalized pronouncement “EVERY Consequence “ is ridiculous and then talk about manufacturing process in an afterthought.
Btw no value to what you sympathize with or not. I doubt you ever sympathized in the first place.

I remember reading "Brave New World:, with the Soma pill, to keep all happy, Well we have reached dystopia today. Kids weakened to the point they cannot make it throughte day without Rx help, overwhemled by life for which they were not prepared in school. Old seniors, have to have their gumy hemp to make it through the day. Bags of Rx drugs in the hands of seniors entering Dr.'s office. For the mid years a little alcohol, a little cocaine, frptrddon ig yhry fo noy hsbr it All wandering through life, overwhelmed, unsure who they themsleves are, lidrninh likr tonoyd to network news. They do not question, just absorb the misinformtion of the day. I knew it was coming, form the 60s, never doubted it. My dad rasided me to know who I was, to be strong, to avoid the drugs and alcohol which killed my mom when I was 15. It seemed so simple, when in HS, my freidns were going drinking, and i asked him to tell me I had to stay home. Instead, he said would it not be more effective if I told them I did nto want to go drinking, but would love to go to a movive the next time. He showed me I had the power, and it nevr was an issue again. I liked who I was, I had pets, no mom by then, but the best dad ever. I had those friends throughout my teens, and they actually respected who I chose to be. Sadly, people have become sheep today, in what tehy drink or use, in what news they search, thy do not want hard issues.Until we can the teachers and tell our kids they are capable of handling life, the cycle will continue, sadly.

"Getting stoned"? Didn't that mean a not yet extinct form of execution? How did it become applied to a chemical impact on the body and mind from the consumption of some types of vegetation? Why has not every human being recognized the value of an independent mind, a process of pure, objective thought, uncontaminated by remnants of animal nature that has not yet developed self-control (sometimes called free will)?

I treasure the clarity of my mind's operation and protect it from spurious infections. Consuming chemicals that would shortcircuit my brain's functions in exchange for a dubious sensation is easy to resist under those priorities. Evolution seems to be sorting us out by progressive criteria for survival. Do you want to stay in?

and force down the chemtrail planes and take the operators to Gitmo.

Nothing in my rant says I care where the drugs come from or who uses them.

I think people should be free to ingest substances at will.

In a tightly associated thought, I think that the INDIVIDUAL is the party that is responsible for EVERY consequence() of taking those drugs!

If you injure or kill a person because you are operating DUI you're screwed! Show up to work glassy-eyed, you're fired! Tee Martooni lunch; yerrrrrr out-a-here!

I'm past the point where I have of even want to have any sympathy for WILLFUL substance abusers. And I think it's way way past time for society to impose that sympathy on people like me.

() Unrelated to unintended consequences from commercial product contamination, etc. where there would still be simple liability if the manufacturer is negligent. But I digress

Hey, if the business owner is OK with drug addict workers, it's not my place to tell him he can't employ them.

My point is that employers that don't want addicts on the payroll are no longer PROHIBITED from dismissing the addicts.

Right now the employer's hands are tied. The employee can claim a ;'substance abuse problem' and the employer can't fire them, and if they are big, they MUST provide addiction services.

Yes the war on drugs most likely was just an excuse to funnel money away from the treasury to, "fight drugs." And it's both funny and tragic, we can't beat stoners at their own game. Some people are just going to sit on a couch. But we shouldn't pay them anything. Let them grow weed, but do not pay them to live and do nothing.

In my store people will be sent home if high, but allowed to come back.

Very true, but the irresponsibles should only kill themselves. They also kill innocents. Let them win the Darwin Award. But they should not make the rest of us pay for their mistakes.

Awesome. They call heroin dope now. But yeah, weed makes you a dope. Like this kid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ulu...

You're right about that. Alcohol severely affects balance while pot does not. A person can walk a balance beam end to end on pot but not on alcohol. On pot (and alcohol) one's judgement and perception are altered which can be just as deadly as a slowed reaction time of an alcohol intoxicated person.

:-)

I hear you. All caps usually signify yelling. No need. We're just talking. You're going to find lots of things in here. Please stay.

Sure enough, back in the Good Old Days, we called weed -- Dope. Sorta says it all right there.
The stuff allows an individual to remain in a persistent state of hazy-reality... not quite reality, not quite the zero ... the grave. Stuff just doesn't matter and so everything sort of just Goes to Pot. I like reality and clarity -- Objectivity. So I refrain from being a dope.

I will lean on the side of freedom -- even if that means the freedom to self-immolate. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Personally, I refrain from smoking, pot and all the rest. However, I do enjoy a "drink." If prohibition ever came back on alcohol drinking, I would choose to enjoy an old fashioned right in my front yard and get arrested. Victimless crime.... ok, so I am the victim, giving a punch to my liver and all the rest.

What we have is this pendulum that the global parasites (elite, my ass) tend to swing violently from one extreme to another ... prohibitions, then total acceptability and even promotion. Just leave people alone and the folks will sort themselves out -- the irresponsible will over-do it and end up as the casualties of excess. Let them be models for what to avoid.

The largest drug cartel is Big Pharm followed by the C_A (US Govt). Start with the basic facts before you make assumptions based on a false premise. LSD was introduced to the US by the NAZIS that joined the US intelligence agencies curtesy of Operation Paperclip.
Timothy Leary, the Harvard professor and self-proclaimed “High Priest of the LSD Cult”, was jailed for narco-crimes. His wife was partnering with the Weather Underground to have him released.

Leary’s research into the effects of LSD was financed by Sidney Gottlieb’s MKULTRA program. While Gottlieb looked to secure the global supply of LSD, millions of American students were taking LSD regularly, and attending the anti-war protests. LSD was the drug being used at the same time by the CIA to hypnotize their human test subjects:

Check your premises. Alcohol used when driving has killed multiples more than drivers high on pot.. You base this post on your opinion not on empirical evidence. I personally know of dozens of people who killed themselves with alcoholism. Never heard of anyone who died from pot usage. If you have some statistics on the latter I would like to see them and the source. I know of many PTSD victims who have gotten relief from the mental anguish of trauma using pot. Is it for everyone ? No. Is it reasonable to Arrest someone for using it ? Hell no imo.

There are many different opinions in the Gulch. Thanks for voicing yours, Bill.
(You don't have to SHOUT to be heard.;^)

I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN OBJECTIVIST SIGHT NOT NEO CONSERVATIVE. PROHIBITION IS A VIOLATION OF RIGHTS. "I SEE SO MANY" IS NOT OBJECTIVE. THE NUMBERS DO NOT BACK UP THE ASSUMPTION. PROHIBITION IS INITIATION OF FORCE, PERIOD.

I want to see two interrelated law changes.

1) Legalize all drugs (Libertarian perspective)
2) Employer immunity to terminate workers under the influence.

Yes, #2 would give the employer the complete right to terminate any employee that shows up for work in an impaired state. Furthermore, that cause would be sufficient to terminate things like pensions too. Any accrued pension would have to be paid our immediately, but the employer's obligation would end right there.

Yes, we would need some sort of appeals process if the termination was for a person who is approaching retirement. But statistical analysis would be the tool of choice. And employers found to have acted maliciously would be laid open for multiple damages.

My point is if you value your career, stay clean, and live in a way that everyone that knows you knows that you are clean.

But if you value your high, then you should expect to be walking on very thin ice. What happens when a stone(er) is dropped on thin ice? It sinks.

My whole tirade is based on the war we lost. (Not Vietnam) The War on Drugs. Yes, the war that the US Government lost to a bunch of stoners.

No offense taken at gender, of course. :-) I basically use that name combo (first initial with last name) JUST SO I am ambiguous about gender in places where I don't want to be ID'd.

This is a very good point, it is the heart of the matter. It's not easy to resolve. My right to be free to do something ends if it harms you. Then your right to be unharmed outweighs my right to be free. Radical freedom is no one's right. Radical Radical freedom is just chaos, in which case, we are all slaves to our passions. Only when we limit our rights do we become free.