The federal government doesn't get that money from themselves. They get it from the citizens of that state.

A state could easily pass a law that would still be within the bounds of the 16th amendment. It would simply state that all tax revenue from the citizens of that state will be calculated per the Federal Government law. It will then be sent directly to the capital of that State, where the percentage of the money that is going to pay for Constitutional Federal Government budget items will be immediately forwarded to the IRS. The percentage that is slated for Federal budget items that are not allowed by the Constitution will immediately be sent back to the citizens of that State.

Have you taken the Nolan test? [AKA the 5-minute political...something something test...] You can probably find it on the Libertarian Party website - I find it useful in separating the sheep from the goats, but not very useful after that.

At one point I thought I was Libertarian.Conservative suits my views far better. There are rules/restriction necessary in a society that restrict the individuals freedom. The key word is society. I could care less what a person does to and for him/herself (except my kids) but in a society their dumb-ass actions and behaviors can pose a direct threat to the safety of my family and myself.

As stated here before I'm a Constitutional Conservative American before just about anything else.

Most young Libertarians and Objectivists are annoying. They usually grow out of it well before they're 53.

gulch friends excluded, of course. :)

You too!? I have a couple I see on occasion, usually to jam with.

Me either..... of course.

Agree. mostly. I will never stop trying to influence my children in the right direction.

He can make those choices when he's funding his own existence....

For him its an excuse to not listen to me about several things...cigarettes and drugs included. If I were unreasonable I could understand.

Where? Continuing on to where I've been going my entire life. Doing everything I, as an individual can do to educate and open eyes of those I interact with. At my stage in life, it's not as many as earlier in life. The movie has just added another arrow to the quiver.

LOL you either? I shrugged mine after trying for years to discuss topics of importance. It's freeing to shed the weight of those who don't appreciate the best things about you. :)

He's an annoying libertarian?? lol I'm happy to hear this :)

Am just waiting for 'the greater good' or worse, 'according to their need'. Steadily and observably approaching to our own horror, but see the LSM stream shiny objects 24/7 at work

Am concerned as you, but not a prepper yet. Agree arrows point to total collapse. Suspect stock mkt first. Food and water will be the worst. theater was half full, giving me hope. Regards

Emailed Gulch email to my nephews and nieces and their partners, along with Institute url for further info. No news is good news, but I'd prefer real conversations..

As pitiful as it sounds, I have no friends. The three are for family gifts and there will be another one for myself.

Good advice though.

My son has read Atlas Shrugged, Anthem, Ominus Parallels, The Law, and is currently reading We The Living. He, at 19, is an annoying staunch libertarian. The only reason I couldn't take him is because he's in college and there will likely be a timing conflict between us.

Herb- I can hear you.
And no, you are not alone.

... bear the torch.