Yes who else profits from making unnecessary wars except the central banks and their highly-paid employees in government.

He's also a puppet: controlled by the bankers, just like Woodrow Wilson was.

RevJay4 this is UncommonSense, be advised: in radio-speak, we never transmit 'over and out'. It's either 'over?' or 'out', but never both in the same transmission. How copy, over? :)

The self-proclaimed "elites".

"what do you mean "my ally"?"
Islamists oppose equal rights, feminism, and liberal media. You said the evil scheming of Satan is found in those things. As Neil Young said of, I don't feel like Satan, but I am to them.

And THAT's what you got out of this post? Wow your head IS firmly planted.

"This was a jihadist doing what jihadist do."
I'm not belittling the severity of premeditated murder. I'm belittling the consumers and purveyors of outrage. They're living in an unusually free and affluent (as history goes) time and place, yet they look for things to be outraged about. It's funny when they say there's *not enough outrage*; they need more. My question is how many heinous ghastly premeditated crimes do they need to be satiated? There's a limit to how many ghastly crimes a person can digest and how angry and miserable a person can be.

Um, what do you mean "my ally"?

"liberal media, in Islam, in the homosexual "rights" movement, in militant feminism, in liberal "Christianity", etc, etc, etc. "
Extreme Islam is your ally against equal rights, feminism, and liberal media.

Either something makes sense or you use faith as an excuse to buy into it because if you don't then you might go to hell for your doubt.

I'm losing, logically speaking? How so? I was not offended. What's to be offended over? The assumption in these discussions do nothing to further the point. As for God and religion being in the founding father's heads...every quote you find siting it one can be found to site the opposite....It's been done repeatedly in here.

When I see how easily history is adjusted by the preferred philosophy of the day, I have more questions than answers about the bible, etc.
For me, the bible is a great book which gives mankind a roadmap on how to treat his fellow man. Without harm and for the good of all. That there is an entity(?) which made all of this come into being is not a question for me. I can't imagine this universe, me included, being an accident of whatever "big bang" that is claimed by some.
For me, I don't feel the need to have an organized religion as my conduit to a "spiritual" being I consider to exist. If no one else does, that's fine with me. Sorta like what Thomas Jefferson said as posted by OA in this thread.
Over and Out.
J.

That's all well and good.

I thought you were done with this topic?

Regardless, not believing everything you've ever read in your life has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. I just pointed out that either Jesus Christ IS telling the truth or he ISN'T. There isn't a "middle ground"

Maybe we should have a thread devoted entirely to the debate between LetsShrug Barwick (that Barwick seems to currently be winning, logically speaking). Until then it seems to me that Shrug got offended by a very well thought-out argument. I hope it didn't kill this thread.

Oh, and anyone downvoting a post because it references God or Satan is an idiot that should read our Declaration and Constitution (that heavily reference the Almighty if you remember).

Or Santa Claus.

I don't believe everything I've ever read in my life. Especially if it doesn't make sense. I also don't believe in magic or voo doo.

What do you mean there is not an either or answer? Either He IS telling the truth or he ISN'T.

There is no middle ground, there is no pseudo science of quantum physics going on here.

Yes there is too. It's not an either or answer, you just want to frame it that way in an attempt to make what you think is a point.

No it must be the strong epoxy he used.

That's fine, no need to respond, but if you think he was a man then he was either a liar or a lunatic. No false choices in what I put forward

False choices. I think he was a man. I'm not spending anymore time on this except to say I grew up religious, my dad was a minister when I was a kid, I know all about faith and religion and it's an unnecessary middle man. Being good for the sake of being good is the only reason I need. It's logical and in my rational self interest. Hoping or having faith in a maybe is not. To each his own.

Hello barwick11,
Regarding offense: I agree with LS.

I believe you are a good person, but on this site many will take issue with your metaphysics. It is your premise of there being a real Satan as the impetus for the evil in the world that will get you down-voted. It is not a reflection on your person. It is your argument. Naturally, considering the prevalent philosophy, people here believe they can be benevolent or malevolent without the necessity of the supernatural.
For me it matters little. As I have quoted before: "...But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
Respectfully,
O.A.

I didn't think you would down vote it, others however, not so sure. Regardless, why do people act like "reason and logic" is at odds with the existence of God, Satan, angels, and demons?

The Bible exists and was written down "that [we] may *know*" I mean, it boils down to a few things:
1) Do you believe Jesus Christ existed? If no, there's a lot of generally accepted secular history you have to throw away because it has much less evidence than the life of Jesus Christ.
2) Do you believe Jesus Christ was a good person?
3) Then who do you believe Jesus Christ was? He can be only 3 things. Liar (and one of the most wicked men in all of history if he was a liar). Lunatic (are his teachings those of a lunatic?) Lord (in which case, what He said was true, and should be taken as truth).

The only logical answer if one's intelectually honest there, is that He was in fact Lord. If he wasn't, the next closest would have to be a lunatic, but really, have any psychologist analyze those words and explain how a lunatic came up with them, and also why 11 out of the 12 apostles went to their death defending Him and his teachings. Or, a Liar. Again, that leaves the problem of the eye-witnesses, and their executions, many of which are documented in secular history.

Logic will not bring you to Jesus Christ. But logic WILL support your belief in Him and His Word.