The biggest problem mRNA skeptics face

Posted by $ Dobrien 7 months, 1 week ago to Science
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And how to handle it. Because this battle isn't going away.
On Friday I was having lunch with a relative.

She’s a nice woman, smart. We’re not especially close - we didn’t grow up near one another and we don’t live near each other now - but we’re blood, and in no way unfriendly.

One more thing: she’s an academic. You can guess her politics.

Just after we sat, we talked a bit about Covid. She said she’d been only vaguely aware of my views or how controversial I’d become - surprising but not entirely, she’s had plenty else to worry about of late. She’d googled me and come across “The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man,” though. Of course.

We ordered, ate, caught up, gossiped about family. The usual.
And then she said something along the lines of, Well. I would like to hear about your journey, how you developed these views.

Journey. Uh-oh.

Sure, I said.

One question I’d ask, one way to look at it - do you generally believe in the scientific method?

I think she said “scientific method,” not “science.” But she meant “science.”

She meant, Do you believe in science?

There is only one answer to this question, if someone is foolish and/or rude enough to say it out loud to you, the mRNA skeptic. I don’t care who that someone is: a relative, a friend, a frenemy, a television interviewer, a total stranger.

Yes, this question has only one answer.

What an idiotic thing to say, I said.

She was taken aback. After all, she had asked me if I was a moron, but she’d done so politely.

I don’t think it’s idiotic, she said.

Of course I believe in science, I said. A nuclear power plant sits not far from where I live. It exists because one group of brilliant scientists unlocked the secrets of the atom and another group figured out to how to use fission to heat water and turn turbines and make electricity. Which I use every day.

I could have made the same point even more simply: whenever I get on a plane I don’t expect to see the wings flapping.

To exist in the modern world is to know science exists. To agree to a prenatal genetic screen, to check your favorite team’s highlights on your phone, even to drive - is to understand the profound technological revolution humanity has undergone in the last three centuries.

These people. These smart liberal people.

They believe, truly, that anyone who questions the mRNA shots must be a knuckle-dragging mouth-breather who has no idea what the scientific method even is.

The mRNA jabs are extraordinary science. They are an incredible feat of biotechnology. We have figured out how to hijack our own cellular machinery in the same way viruses do. These shots build on generations of brilliant biological research, dating back to the discovery of the structure and function of DNA in 1953.

But that amazing history doesn’t mean that the modified mRNA in the Covid jabs is safe, any more than it means plutonium is safe.

In fact it means the opposite. It means they should be treated as dangerous until proven otherwise.

And the scientists who helped develop them knew that they might be dangerous. As they wrote in a widely read 2016 paper called “mRNA delivery using nanoparticles”:

Currently, no mRNA therapeutic is approved for use in humans, and a beneficial safety profile in patients still has to be demonstrated. A first clinical application will likely not be a prophylactic vaccine, because the tolerance for side effects is very low for a drug that is injected into healthy individuals. [emphasis added] Establishing the safety profile in a therapeutic application, such as cancer immunotherapy, will be followed by prophylactic applications.

In other words, mRNAs shouldn’t be used in large numbers of healthy people before we gained years of experience with them in cancer patients, who have far shorter life expectancies and a much higher tolerance for risk as they pursue cures.

When regulators approve drugs, they do so on the basis that those drugs are safe and effective." The first word is “safe.” Not effective, safe.

First, do no harm.

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  • Posted by VetteGuy 7 months, 1 week ago
    True science involves looking at ALL the data, positive and negative. Today's politicized "science" requires ignoring any data that conflicts with the preferred narrative.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 7 months, 1 week ago
    The more scientific data comes out, the more I'm happy to have not been jabbed.
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    • Posted by mhubb 7 months, 1 week ago
      i got the J&J
      not by choice
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      • Posted by mccannon01 7 months, 1 week ago
        Understood. Some people were placed in a very tough position where they couldn't say NO! America is definitely no longer a "free" country. Hasn't been for some time.
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        • Posted by mhubb 7 months, 1 week ago
          there will never be True Justice in this nation until

          those that pushed this fraud shot on us and ignored basic human rights
          those that continue to betray the US Constitution and We the People

          are punished for their crimes
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          • Posted by $ 7 months, 1 week ago
            Sep 13, 2020 12:32:54 PM EDT
            Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: a4f814 No. 10630891


            WATERGATE x1000
            SEPT 14-18, 21-25 [track & follow events]
            Did Kevin set his alarm?
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            • Posted by $ 7 months, 1 week ago
              Feb 19, 2019 6:43:38 PM EST
              Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 7390a9 No. 5271872
              The DECLASSIFICATION of all requested documents (+ more) will occur.
              This is not a game.
              Do not let personal (emotional) desires ("do it now""now""what is taking so long""NOW!") take over.
              Logical thinking and strategy should always be applied.
              NEW THREATS (investigations by [SDNY], [AS], [MW] in an effort to delay/prevent release ('insurance extension') WILL FAIL.
              TRANSPARENCY is the only way forward.
              Define the following:
              Conspiracy to commit…
              Do you understand and fully appreciate the GRAVITY of the situation?
              Do you understand and fully appreciate what POTUS endures each and every singly day?
              He loves this County.
              He loves you.
              There is EVIL in this world.
              There is DARKNESS in this world.
              There are those in POWER who wish to CONTROL (enslave) you.
              To keep you sedated.
              To keep you unaware.
              To keep you blind.
              This will be on our timetable.
              (….AND WE WILL DELIVER).
              (TRANSPARENCY and Prosecution)
              There is simply no other way.
              [Except 1]
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        • Posted by $ 7 months, 1 week ago
          Everyone could say no, peolple just did not have the courage to. All military who said no have been reinstated. Some times you have to fight for your life. 150-200 years ago it was common place.
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  • Posted by mhubb 7 months, 1 week ago
    if the mRNA stuff was science, why the anger when we asked questions?

    science is supposed to defend itself

    and why the violations of Constructional and Human rights??
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    • Posted by $ blarman 7 months, 1 week ago
      Why didn't people listen to the INVENTOR of mRNA technology? Why didn't people pay attention when he mysteriously died after pointing out that the technology he invented wasn't meant for creating vaccines?
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      • Posted by $ 7 months ago
        Because it was censored and most people did not try to research the mRNA failures that were well documented in the drug companies efforts to monetize the biotech.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 7 months ago
          FOIA requests are now exposing the fact that during testing there were all kinds of problems - including fatalities and miscarriages after the first trimester - that Pfizer/Moderna failed to disclose when they applied for their emergency use authorization. Can't wait to see Florida's lawsuits suing these guys for intentionally hiding this information and not only defrauding the public but criminally endangering it.
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          • Posted by $ 7 months ago
            Yes ,previous trials never made it past the animal phase of testing, I’m not saying it was for vaccines then . I believe it was tested to be used for cancer
            Treatments. Seems that would be the correct course as those patients did not have a long life expectancy. I would build a library of info for other applications. In early phases all the animals died. They would tinker with it and try again. Evidence has come out of Europe that 60%+ of the VAERS
            Victims came from the same lot number.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 months, 1 week ago
    My brother had the gall to go behind my back and try to talk my teenage son into taking the mRNA jab. I didn't say anything at first. He's not real bright. But, then he shoved his foot in his mouth. The topic came up by my backyard pool with mixed company when he said, "I follow the science." I let him have it. "When the governor wants to know how to fight pandemics like this I'm the guy he reaches out to . Not you." This isn't to say that the governor listens...he's conflicted. But, I decided right then and there to have a couple questions for anybody who said shit like that near me again. 1 - Please describe the scientific method. 2- What is an adjuvant? These are simple questions that if somebody can't clearly answer rules them out of the debate. I'll discuss. Maybe inform. But, not debate this topic with somebody who claims to "follow the science" but can't answer these questions.
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