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Only The Rich Will Be Able To Afford An Electric Vehicle - CEO of Dodge, Jeep, Ram

Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 1 month ago to Government
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"“The middle class will not be able to buy EVs,” said Tavares, bluntly. “Very simply put.” Of course. The typical middle class person doesn’t even earn $60k in a year. Much less net that sum. Federal and state taxes gyp that down to around $48,000 – leaving him about $4,000 on hand to pay his rent/mortgage – which likely cuts that sum in half, or close to it. He still hasn’t paid the utility bill or his phone bill – much less his food bill. If he is frugal, he might have $1,000 left – after he pays his fixed expenses – to pay for a car.

As it happens, the monthly cost – on the low end – to finance the purchase of a $60k car is currently just about every cent he has left. It leaves him nothing to pay for the insurance he’d have to buy in order to get (and maintain) the loan, which would require him to come up with another couple hundred bucks each month he hasn’t got.

Not to mention the cost of fueling the ride he can’t afford – whether electricity or gas.

Voila!

Bear in in mind that if the middle class will not be able to buy EVs, then the working class will be even less able to. That leaves only one class that will be able to. The wealthy. "
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Yet the evil fascist government is forcing all vehicle makers to stop making internal combustion vehicles that most can afford.
The result is transportation and travel will be completely controlled by whoever controls mass transit.
No more freedom to associate.
No more freedom to speak against government tyranny.
No more freedom to take a better job outside your local allowed travel area.
Sounds like Soviet Union communist tyranny has come to America.

DC. NIFO.


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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You cannot unsee it.
    Despite my daughter starting University at 14 (on a full-ride scholarship), I made her get a job!
    [We have a love/hate relationship... She loves me NOW, but hated me then! LOL!]

    It was the best thing I ever did (oh, and not letting her have social media). So, she worked, and went to school. She learned to pay for her own stuff. I provided the car, but she bought her gas. (This was far better treatment than I got growing up, but she's also a girl, and I'd prefer she didn't figure out she could sleep her way to resource acquisition, like I would have done if I was female growing up, LOL).

    Anyways, She parlayed herself through 5-6 jobs. Got her friends jobs, built her confidence, and learned that people will take advantage of you, if you let them. And to avoid those people.

    She also developed good time management and decent values. Living at home was NEVER going to be fun for her. She was welcome to, but she left within 6 months of graduating, and moved out of state! [Not because we forced her, because she wanted her freedom more than she wanted an easy life] Mission Accomplished.

    We raised a Young Adult.
    Many people are raising Children. At 18, 20, 24, and 32... They are STILL CHILDREN.
    We see more 4yr olds who do not know the ABCs, and can't count past 10... But they can watch YouTube!
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I saw one guy complain...
    He faced strong headwinds while driving. Luckily he was paying attention.
    It cost him many hours and an extra full charge to travel from one town to another.

    He also said that you have to pay attention to your weight! If you are carrying a heavy load, you get much worse performance.
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  • Posted by Steven-Wells 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I was going north from Sunrise, Florida to Hamilton Square, New Jersey. My cross country drives usually involved some sightseeing out west, so I usually kept the daily travel in the 800–900 miles range. On one trip, I had a short day of 770 miles.
    I don't have any plans to buy an electric vehicle in the foreseable future.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Remember, a Passport was the only way you serfs were allowed to get "passed" the port.
    You could stay in the ports, spend your money there. But you were not free to go inside these countries.
    Coming soon to many countries near you!
    And the RICH never had to show a passport...
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Totally. But if you lived in a homestead that used Wood for heat.
    And your average trip to acquire wood was now 3 days out and 3 days back.
    I would hope you started to think about alternatives before your family froze.

    More efficient fire places are already available.
    But we are being run by middle managers who failed upwards, and NOT leaders :-)
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't peg it to a date. As for a century. I stand by the statement.
    We are consuming something that took Billions of years to create. (Willing to be proven wrong).
    The easy to get at stuff is mostly consumed.
    If we have consumed about 1/2... How long before we run out? (not sure).
    What would be the signs we are running out? (Harder to find, more cost to get?)

    And 1,000% agree. We've been lied to about Peak Oil in the past. To keep the prices higher.
    We've called them fossil fuels, even though we know it's probably not fossils, just carbon. Nobody calls Diamonds Fossils, yet mostly carbon.

    Need will make the transition happen. But since day 1 with Gasoline powered cars... It took how many years to get rid of horse drawn carriages? Oxens in fields? (usually about 40-50yrs to transition).

    That's the reality. This too, will take 40-50yrs. The only thing that will expedite it is the lack of affordable fuel. But we use the same fuel for Electricity, so we are in trouble.
    Nuclear is the ultimate goal...

    But then I wonder. Do we have enough Nuclear material to make the reactors we need???
    I don't know!
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    If you think an EMP will have a bigger effect on an EV than an ICE, you better think again.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    And there goes x% of the battery's long term storage ability never to be recovered.
    Meanwhile, your Ranger keeps on going with few issues for xxx,000 miles.
    I'd love it if EV's could do what ICE's can (without the government controls) but they can't, yet.
    I can't afford an EV battery, much less a whole car. ;^)
    I like Ranger's too:
    http://www.ohsorare.com/9mm147jhpwinr...
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I pulled the information from Dr. Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity. His point is to look at the QUALITY of the Coal rocks. We are mining the grey stuff, which has a lower energy quotient.
    And you DO NOT mine that stuff on purpose. You target the Shiny black stuff.

    Russia topped their Oil production in 2018, it's never been as high since. Saudi's just admitted they cannot do the production levels we want... While it took us 100+ yrs to get here, it will NOT disappear overnight. But we have to think in terms of half-life. It will become twice as hard to get each next 50% remaining.

    Notice... We sold Uranium Resources to Russia before all of this. IMAGINE THAT.
    And I 1000% agree, we should be pursuing Nuclear. 2 Plants a week should be started.
    Gen IV.

    The bottom line argument is this. We live in a FINITE World. Our Monetary System REQUIRES Infinite Exponential Growth (which implies exponential energy consumption)... Those two systems will flip. When they do. Growth will reverse, as energy simply will NOT be available.
    Energy == GDP... Take away energy. 100% and where does the GDP go? He plots the growth of countries against their energy consumption. It's pretty clear!
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Driving coast-to-coast, I've only done 1,200 miles in a day once with an 800 mile distance on the day before in my MX5.
    I was very ready to rest that night. Usually I do about 900 a day and then take it easier the 3rd day to my destination.
    Thanks to Ayn, Atlas Shrugged audio books, and chocolate covered coffee beans to keep me going.
    Not a chance an EV could keep up with Ayn and me.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    200 miles in 15 minutes with a supercharger. Not much less than the range in my 2004 Ranger (no pun intended), that I get in 5 min.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Best to let the free market make those decisions when it will be up to the people what to do.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    leftists are ideologs. results are not important, so they dont even consider them.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    yes. once the CBDC is implemented as the ONLY way to transact business, it will be too late. We need to be able to use a currency of our own choosing, and stop depending on the dollar.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    EV range is just one more thing that I would have to consider and think about. Its not like one can pull in to a gas station and re-fill up in less than 5 minutes.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed. Serfs aren't allowed too far outside the village they were born in. The only exception is to go fight a war someplace.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    If I recall, there were plenty of fear-porn prognosticators back in the '70s that were absolutely sure there would be no more oil by the year 2000. There were also plenty of fear-porn prognosticators that were absolutely sure NYC would be under 200 feet of ice created by the man-caused ice age by 2000 as well. By 1995 that fear-porn story was changed to NYC being under 200 feet of water by 2020 due to man-caused global warming. Now the story is "climate change" meaning the fear-porn prognosticators really are clueless idiots. I'll wait until we are really running out of oil before believing any prognostications - government suppression of production doesn't mean we are running out, either. I didn't down vote you, Capt., because we probably will run out of oil eventually, but let's not peg it to a date or even century yet.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I am doing exactly that -- last year 40k road trip miles, this year planning the same as well as next.
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  • Posted by Steven-Wells 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't believe that percentage for a moment. I've done some looking for reasonable estimates, and they appear to be in hiding. Would you please point to a source that indicates half (or thereabouts) of the world's coal supply has been used in the past sesquicentenial.

    [curmudgeon]
    Meanwhile, why isn't nuclear power providing our electrical needs? We have many millennia (at least) of available Thorium and Uranium, and we can fast breed Plutonium as well. Instead of killing massive numbers of birds with windmills or making a dangerous eyesore of solar farms where real estate costs are as low as we would hope long distance transmission losses to be.
    [/curmudgeon]
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  • Posted by mikeofallon 2 years, 1 month ago
    The Biden admin emission standards will be biased, applying only to "tailpipe emissions" - not total emissions from EV use. Mining / battery manufacturing, charging & disposal / recycling will be ignored. And of course we'll be more dependent on China.
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  • Posted by Steven-Wells 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Just yesterday, I saw a commercial for an EV car touting its ability to go up to 300 miles on a single charge. That puts Amarillo to Denver as a 2-charge trip via either of the main routes that Google Maps shows: either 421 miles or 434 miles.

    Let's just stay in Texas: Houston to El Paso. And Houston isn't even on the eastern edge of the state like Port Arthur. That saves 90 miles, so it's only 736 miles to El Paso. Oops, that's a 3-charge trip.
    While we're noticing how big Texas is, El Paso is closer to San Diego, California than it is to Houston. Only 724 miles, also a 3-charge trip.

    I've driven a single gasoline-powered driving day (with 10-minute gas stops) of 1,200 miles. That would use up 4 full charges with long stops in an EV day.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I am absolutely gobsmacked about the kids, even in their late teens and early twenties. They simply don't want to do anything. The ones I know don't drive (I can remember laying awake at night counting the minutes till I could get my driver license - at age 14!) And once I did, I was gone as much as possible.

    Sex? What's that? Work? What nonsense! Nobody wants anyone else to tell them what to do! These kids do NOT want to grow up.

    It's a very, very strange world that is coming along in about another 20 years. It's bad enough now, but I hope the really bad stuff waits another 20 at least, so I can say my goodbyes first.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    There you go. Exactly!!!

    I have no EVs, but if I bought a car now it would be a Tesla, Kia EV6GT or Mustang MachE ... or for different applications a Canoe pickup if they ever come out.

    Don't want anyone else to pay for my car, and don't want to pay for anyone else's car, directly, indirectly or the market forced by regulation.

    However, I would encourage people to not use the demographic of many EV advocates (progressive scum) or use of prior government force as the basis of their EV facts.
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