Only The Rich Will Be Able To Afford An Electric Vehicle - CEO of Dodge, Jeep, Ram
Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 1 month ago to Government
Excerpt:
"“The middle class will not be able to buy EVs,” said Tavares, bluntly. “Very simply put.” Of course. The typical middle class person doesn’t even earn $60k in a year. Much less net that sum. Federal and state taxes gyp that down to around $48,000 – leaving him about $4,000 on hand to pay his rent/mortgage – which likely cuts that sum in half, or close to it. He still hasn’t paid the utility bill or his phone bill – much less his food bill. If he is frugal, he might have $1,000 left – after he pays his fixed expenses – to pay for a car.
As it happens, the monthly cost – on the low end – to finance the purchase of a $60k car is currently just about every cent he has left. It leaves him nothing to pay for the insurance he’d have to buy in order to get (and maintain) the loan, which would require him to come up with another couple hundred bucks each month he hasn’t got.
Not to mention the cost of fueling the ride he can’t afford – whether electricity or gas.
Voila!
Bear in in mind that if the middle class will not be able to buy EVs, then the working class will be even less able to. That leaves only one class that will be able to. The wealthy. "
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Yet the evil fascist government is forcing all vehicle makers to stop making internal combustion vehicles that most can afford.
The result is transportation and travel will be completely controlled by whoever controls mass transit.
No more freedom to associate.
No more freedom to speak against government tyranny.
No more freedom to take a better job outside your local allowed travel area.
Sounds like Soviet Union communist tyranny has come to America.
DC. NIFO.
"“The middle class will not be able to buy EVs,” said Tavares, bluntly. “Very simply put.” Of course. The typical middle class person doesn’t even earn $60k in a year. Much less net that sum. Federal and state taxes gyp that down to around $48,000 – leaving him about $4,000 on hand to pay his rent/mortgage – which likely cuts that sum in half, or close to it. He still hasn’t paid the utility bill or his phone bill – much less his food bill. If he is frugal, he might have $1,000 left – after he pays his fixed expenses – to pay for a car.
As it happens, the monthly cost – on the low end – to finance the purchase of a $60k car is currently just about every cent he has left. It leaves him nothing to pay for the insurance he’d have to buy in order to get (and maintain) the loan, which would require him to come up with another couple hundred bucks each month he hasn’t got.
Not to mention the cost of fueling the ride he can’t afford – whether electricity or gas.
Voila!
Bear in in mind that if the middle class will not be able to buy EVs, then the working class will be even less able to. That leaves only one class that will be able to. The wealthy. "
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Yet the evil fascist government is forcing all vehicle makers to stop making internal combustion vehicles that most can afford.
The result is transportation and travel will be completely controlled by whoever controls mass transit.
No more freedom to associate.
No more freedom to speak against government tyranny.
No more freedom to take a better job outside your local allowed travel area.
Sounds like Soviet Union communist tyranny has come to America.
DC. NIFO.
First: almost all of the main components ( i.e. batteries and control electronics) are coming from foreign sources, not all of whom are friendly to this country. Meaning they could cut our supply off at the drop of a hat. Even the ones that are neutral or even friendly to us are using slave labor and distinctly environmentally disastrous and physically dangerous mining techniques. All for about $1/day wages.
Two: The batteries are not recyclable. They go into a landfill... and leak. And they are not cheap, costing as much as half the car.s value.
Three: This country has one of the best electrical infrastructures in the world, and our 100-year-old system is already over burdened. Even if all other issues were addressed, There is no way we can support a mass transition over to electric transport. No how, no way.
Four: Say we had a totally modernized electrical distribution system with charging stations all over, including induction coils implanted in the road ways so you can charge on-the-fly, Where does the electricity come from? There could never be enough Chinese wind turbines and Chinese solar panels to cover that need. Would you want one, two or three... in your back yard? Greenies hate oil, natural gas and coal fired plants, the most environmentally friendly source of all is Nuclear, the greenies go apoplectic when nuclear is even mentioned. Kinda leaves us S.O.O.L. don't it?
Last, and perhaps the deal breaker: These vehicles are under the absolute control from the manufacturer. Ask anyone who owns a Tesla. The factory can shut your car off from recharging, They can shut your car off while you're driving it. They can turn your car on with out you being in it. They can drive it back to the factory or other location without you being in it.
We MUST transition to something. We must change. I just don't like the obvious forced changes and the lies.
None of the alternatives being pushed are practical, yet they are being forced on people by
government liars with no rational evidence they can replace hydrocarbon power at any price.
The real reasons are hidden and will be hard to believe by the naive, trusting honest people.
[curmudgeon]
Meanwhile, why isn't nuclear power providing our electrical needs? We have many millennia (at least) of available Thorium and Uranium, and we can fast breed Plutonium as well. Instead of killing massive numbers of birds with windmills or making a dangerous eyesore of solar farms where real estate costs are as low as we would hope long distance transmission losses to be.
[/curmudgeon]
And you DO NOT mine that stuff on purpose. You target the Shiny black stuff.
Russia topped their Oil production in 2018, it's never been as high since. Saudi's just admitted they cannot do the production levels we want... While it took us 100+ yrs to get here, it will NOT disappear overnight. But we have to think in terms of half-life. It will become twice as hard to get each next 50% remaining.
Notice... We sold Uranium Resources to Russia before all of this. IMAGINE THAT.
And I 1000% agree, we should be pursuing Nuclear. 2 Plants a week should be started.
Gen IV.
The bottom line argument is this. We live in a FINITE World. Our Monetary System REQUIRES Infinite Exponential Growth (which implies exponential energy consumption)... Those two systems will flip. When they do. Growth will reverse, as energy simply will NOT be available.
Energy == GDP... Take away energy. 100% and where does the GDP go? He plots the growth of countries against their energy consumption. It's pretty clear!
No way I'd buy a 'modern' house.
Energy efficiency is horrible. Double-paned windows?
What a foolish joke.
But no politician breathes a word about efficiency unless it's EV related.
Instead it's inane CO2 and climate change.
If I was POOR. I would put a PLASTIC layer around my windows. For a few dollars it's the SAME EFFECT.
But I also have made sure EVERY nook/crany is sealed. The caulk around my windows is SOLID. Only some windows are Hurricane Rated.
We close the accordion shutters on 1/2 of our house almost year round, to keep the sun out.
I pay about 1/2 what my neighbors pay in electricity, and I work from home, and keep the house comfy!
Oh, and I double insulated my attic (probably the best return on $ ever). Along with increasing the A/C Vent into my office, so I can tolerate a lower A/C Setting while keeping my office 5 degrees cooler than the house.
99% is simple logic. It doesn't have to be expensive. My next investment would be a Solar Hot Water Heater (Black Bladder on the House, motor runs during the day to capture solar heat).
But our hot water heaters are already pretty efficient. I don't know if I could recoup the cost of setting up, maintaining, and repairing the system.
Double pane windows do work - better than single pane, but not very well compared to
much better designs with fewer windows and real insulation (or insulated shutters.)
Walls of glass are a foolish waste of energy.
Solar hot water is very smart where you live if you can do it at a reasonable cost.
When I was a boy, I visited Granddad's house in summer at the beach in NC.
Everyone showered in an enclosed outside shower when returning from the beach,
and the tank for that shower was in full sun all day and painted black. Warm water for free.
We are consuming something that took Billions of years to create. (Willing to be proven wrong).
The easy to get at stuff is mostly consumed.
If we have consumed about 1/2... How long before we run out? (not sure).
What would be the signs we are running out? (Harder to find, more cost to get?)
And 1,000% agree. We've been lied to about Peak Oil in the past. To keep the prices higher.
We've called them fossil fuels, even though we know it's probably not fossils, just carbon. Nobody calls Diamonds Fossils, yet mostly carbon.
Need will make the transition happen. But since day 1 with Gasoline powered cars... It took how many years to get rid of horse drawn carriages? Oxens in fields? (usually about 40-50yrs to transition).
That's the reality. This too, will take 40-50yrs. The only thing that will expedite it is the lack of affordable fuel. But we use the same fuel for Electricity, so we are in trouble.
Nuclear is the ultimate goal...
But then I wonder. Do we have enough Nuclear material to make the reactors we need???
I don't know!
In more ways than one.
There is zero proof oil came from million year old rotting dinos. Think: mineral oil. A hydrocarbon extruded from particular rock formations.
We will run out of oil, just before we run out of water.
And your average trip to acquire wood was now 3 days out and 3 days back.
I would hope you started to think about alternatives before your family froze.
More efficient fire places are already available.
But we are being run by middle managers who failed upwards, and NOT leaders :-)
The infrastructure to use electricity to power transportation just isnt there yet, even with the solar farms that are springing up. The sun only shines during the day, and it makes little sense to burn fossil fuels to turn it into electricity and then use the electricity to power the cars- when you can just burn the fossil fuels directly in the cars.
You could stay in the ports, spend your money there. But you were not free to go inside these countries.
Coming soon to many countries near you!
And the RICH never had to show a passport...
Let's just stay in Texas: Houston to El Paso. And Houston isn't even on the eastern edge of the state like Port Arthur. That saves 90 miles, so it's only 736 miles to El Paso. Oops, that's a 3-charge trip.
While we're noticing how big Texas is, El Paso is closer to San Diego, California than it is to Houston. Only 724 miles, also a 3-charge trip.
I've driven a single gasoline-powered driving day (with 10-minute gas stops) of 1,200 miles. That would use up 4 full charges with long stops in an EV day.
I was very ready to rest that night. Usually I do about 900 a day and then take it easier the 3rd day to my destination.
Thanks to Ayn, Atlas Shrugged audio books, and chocolate covered coffee beans to keep me going.
Not a chance an EV could keep up with Ayn and me.
I don't have any plans to buy an electric vehicle in the foreseable future.
He faced strong headwinds while driving. Luckily he was paying attention.
It cost him many hours and an extra full charge to travel from one town to another.
He also said that you have to pay attention to your weight! If you are carrying a heavy load, you get much worse performance.
On another note: I noticed that my local electric company is running an online ad offering FREE electricity at night (specifically mentioning that this would be the time to plug in your EV.)
Texas is a strange state with electric rates. We all (sorry, most of us) get our electricity from the same place (that infamous Texas grid, which covers most but not all of Texas), but we can buy it from hundreds of different "providers" who then do every sort of obfuscation to keep a consumer from realizing no matter what he does, he's getting screwed.
Heck, the numbers don't work for any new car claiming to deliver savings due
to efficient mpg's if compared to a used car, especially a diesel powered used car.
That is the real reason that VW had to be punished by the Deep State EPA for
delivering economical diesel cars.
Now there are no new diesel cars available in USA.
Everything about the benefit of EV's is based on red herring disinformation.
So no car is required.
No freedom.
Just work, eat bugs, die.
Oh, and go online to get dopamine.
Sperm counts are down like 50%
Since nobody wants to live like we are, much less where we are going... I expect those to continue to crater.
Kids don't even want to date any more.
Kids don't want to learn to drive.
Just a cell phone, and leave them alone.
No need for a job.
no need to live.
Hate everything.
The plans working...
Starting to realize why they took the Georgia Guide Stones down... Because it was becoming obvious!
Sex? What's that? Work? What nonsense! Nobody wants anyone else to tell them what to do! These kids do NOT want to grow up.
It's a very, very strange world that is coming along in about another 20 years. It's bad enough now, but I hope the really bad stuff waits another 20 at least, so I can say my goodbyes first.
Despite my daughter starting University at 14 (on a full-ride scholarship), I made her get a job!
[We have a love/hate relationship... She loves me NOW, but hated me then! LOL!]
It was the best thing I ever did (oh, and not letting her have social media). So, she worked, and went to school. She learned to pay for her own stuff. I provided the car, but she bought her gas. (This was far better treatment than I got growing up, but she's also a girl, and I'd prefer she didn't figure out she could sleep her way to resource acquisition, like I would have done if I was female growing up, LOL).
Anyways, She parlayed herself through 5-6 jobs. Got her friends jobs, built her confidence, and learned that people will take advantage of you, if you let them. And to avoid those people.
She also developed good time management and decent values. Living at home was NEVER going to be fun for her. She was welcome to, but she left within 6 months of graduating, and moved out of state! [Not because we forced her, because she wanted her freedom more than she wanted an easy life] Mission Accomplished.
We raised a Young Adult.
Many people are raising Children. At 18, 20, 24, and 32... They are STILL CHILDREN.
We see more 4yr olds who do not know the ABCs, and can't count past 10... But they can watch YouTube!
It won't stop until the People act again with the same fortitude as those who pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.
1992 D250 Diesel
1993 D350 Diesel
1997 Ford Ranger gas, currently "off road" broken clutch bracket
Our mechanic seems to be able to keep them all working.
Also a 1910 bike-axle buggy, a 2-horse wagonette, a surrey with a (dilapidated) fringe, and a Meadowbrook cart, all of which our ponies can pull. We have harness, buggy whips, etc., and we know how to drive.
If we actually get to working "Soviet-style" we'll need an ox-cart and a pair of oxen. I believe that oxen are more efficient than horses, needing to eat less of the feed produced by the farm. Producing pasture, hay and grain is of course "green" and it means that our transportation would be solar powered. Here's a published paper on cattle in the USSR; https://www.fao.org/3/ah759e/AH759E07...
Look, here's another paper: https://archiviostorico.sdfgroup.com/...
Y'all can come and join my collective farm. Collective? Yes, you will work, and I will collect whatever money we might happen to make.
-- Klaus "Bond Villain" Schwab
I’m glad I’m old. Only 30 more years of this BS at the most.
talk about moving targets....
> A generator not an alternator (it has diodes).
> A mechanical voltage regulator using relays.
> A point & condenser ignition system.
> A Mechanical fuel pump.
> A belt driven cooling fan.
> Carburetors or mechanical fuel injection.
There can not be a single semi-conductor device in the critical operational systems.
This pretty much rules out most cars and trucks built after 1965 when manufacturers started switching over to alternators and other semi-conductor-based devices.
These devices did make the cars more reliable, when the switch was made to electronic ignition, reliability went up even more. The final move to electronic fuel injection made yearly tune-ups a quaint thing of the past. Cars can typically go 100,000 miles before needing a major tune-up. (aside from oil changes and air filters) That used to be the typical life-span of our parents cars. The rust buckets we teenagers bought for $50 and drove them into the ground.
The sweet spot is when manufactures switched from 6 volt to 12 volt electrics (early or mid 1950's?) to about the late 1960's.
I had a 1967-1/2 Volvo 144S that met all the criteria for being EMP proof. Sweet ride. 4-wheel disc brakes, an indestructible tractor motor (1.8L) , a true overdrive 5-speed transmission with limited slip differential, Dual SU carbs. It wouldn't win any races, (the original flying brick) but it did last for 380,000 miles.
As you note a completely mechanical car would be best. A car with simple diodes might be ok too, depending on the shielding. EV motor controllers operate in the presence of very strong EM fields all the time. These are far less susceptible than the microprocessors in an ICE engine control unit (ECU). However, if someone wanted to design any of these to resist EMP it can be done. We used to make engine generators for the Army and Marines that passed these requirements.
Wishing for an EMP to wipe out EVs is like wishing a storm to wipe out a brick house when you live in a wooden one.
Russians used and continue to use vacuum tube technology. Now before you start laughing, this are extremely tiny and robust devices, they are as small as transistors. The geometry is so small they don't need heater elements. After the fall of the wall in 1989 we went on a shopping spree, mostly in Ukraine, once we reverse engineered their most advance equipment, we understood their little secret and made our own Ultraminiature vacuum tube devices. One such aspect of this technology migrated to the commercial market in the form of plasma television displays. They consist of millions of microscopic CRTs, three for each pixel. RGB.
It would be a fatal error to underestimate Russians and their tech. Operation Paperclip: we got the Nazi engineers at the end of WWII, the Russians got the Nazi factory workers. We got the research aspect, the Russians got the practical, hands-on, how to build it, part.
President Kennedy addressed the graduating class of America University is June 1963, Quote: "No one suffered more than the Russians in WWII, they lost 20-25 million people, more than the rest of all combatants combined, lost an area the size of Chicago to the Atlantic, wiped off the face of the planet." Given the worse beat-down any nation has ever suffered, they kicked Nazi ass all the way back to Berlin. Kennedy ended by saying "We never want to start a fight with the Russians".
The Russians have now buddied up the the Chi-Coms and are giving them their tech. After depleting almost all of our ammunition stock and all of our treasury, in support of an (actual) Nazi regime, we now have a muppet of a stand-in pResident starting a war with both Russian and China. There is no nation with a greater hatred of Nazis than the Russian people. What could possibly go wrong? TraderJoe BuyDone is on the wrong side history on this. If he keeps going down this path, we are going to get the poop end of the stick. Big time.
Assume you already knew this. Just noting for the community.
It's almost as if the "leaders" in DC have the destruction of America, the land
of the free, as an ultimate goal. All the evidence indicates that is the case.
DC. NIFO to save America.
Long coil of wire wrapped around it.
Cylindrical Neodymium magnet that just fits the inside of the pipe.
A potent charge to send the magnet down the pipe at tremendous velocity.
Depending on the size, The resulting electrical pulse can be devastating to any near-by electronics.
The bigger the pipe, length of wire, force of charge coupled with sufficient height (say a balloon) One could really wreak a lot of havoc with commonly found objects and not a lot of financial investment.
This is all theoretical, of course. I would never advocate such atrocious behavior.
By the way, a miniature version of this device in the form of a drone on wheels was available to law enforcement at least 30 years ago to disable a suspect's fleeing automobile. Just guide it under the suspects car (easier said than done) and push the self-destruct button. It fries the electrical system in the car above it.
My plan for the aluminum camera poles is gallium. Introduce that, and the aluminum lattice degrades and the metal becomes brittle. That and modified laser pointers to burn out the camera optics. :-)
Also, the flashing lights that tend to produce seizures... Let them watch those for a while.
We need a version that affects the AIs... LOL
You will notice that almost every car built in the last 20 or so years has a little fin or roof wart on top. This is the GPS antenna, whether or not your car has GPS navigation, your car is always "phoning home".
But Cheapest Volt $27.5k per chevy site with no options. $31k+ with leather options.
That's already double the most expensive car I have ever purchased.
Much rather buy a 20 year old $6k-$10k Volvo/Subaru/Toyota wagon with luxury and 400-500 mile range.
Save $20k now and $20k more when the Bolt battery has to be replaced.
EV's are not a competitive option today for most needs unless IC fuel is insanely restricted by damn-fool government policy.
I hope you enjoy your EV if it's practical for you.
I have no EVs, but if I bought a car now it would be a Tesla, Kia EV6GT or Mustang MachE ... or for different applications a Canoe pickup if they ever come out.
Don't want anyone else to pay for my car, and don't want to pay for anyone else's car, directly, indirectly or the market forced by regulation.
However, I would encourage people to not use the demographic of many EV advocates (progressive scum) or use of prior government force as the basis of their EV facts.
Meanwhile, your Ranger keeps on going with few issues for xxx,000 miles.
I'd love it if EV's could do what ICE's can (without the government controls) but they can't, yet.
I can't afford an EV battery, much less a whole car. ;^)
I like Ranger's too:
http://www.ohsorare.com/9mm147jhpwinr...
Love my Ranger. Old one's frame rotted. Got a new one. Need to move the front Torsen differential and winch-bumper to the new one.
I need some of those. Only have a few boxes of that kind of ammo.
One look at used car listings date filtered from the 1990s is empirical evidence that FORD had it all figured out.
The 4.0 liter engine in the Ranger (and the 3.0 variant) are variants of the Cologne Engine from 1962! It was all over Ford products (2.6, 2.8, 2.9, 3.0, 4.0, et al), and converted to SOHC in the 1990s. That engine makes more horsepower and torque at lower RPM than the brand new Toyota 4.0 engine in the Tacoma!
I'm planning on pulling the one from my old 2004 Ranger and rebuilding it, with some head porting and chamber cleanup. Then putting it in my new 2004 Ranger (new 2004? sound goofy?). It still runs perfectly after 170k miles (screw you Consumer Reports), but why not freshen it up?
My son-in-law bought a tesla and for the same trips, he has to take 45 to 90 minutes longer, depending on time of year.