get some speed loaders
good for Wheel Guns!!
:-)

Good luck. FFL apps, SBR, suppressor's
apps, et al, even with EForm, is 6 - 8 months.
I got so sick of bureaucracy, I left.
I was a persona non grata anyway. PM me and I’ll explain why.

Fucking hell, man! Awesome! Now we need to talk about my FFL application!

Yep. The DE 50 was a retirement gift when I left the atf.

Just got my CCW in my Gulch state. For my remote outdoor time I'm carrying a Taurus Tracker 357 magnum. Very comfortable, powerful and accurate gun for me. Self defense for large kitty cats. In this state I'm allowed to carry it exposed pretty much anywhere. Much different than Commiefornia.

And it is hard to beat FFA for clear, unbiased info!

Right. Just couldn't get excited about 380 size/recoil vs 9mm cost/punch.

Gotta look more into these light, high velocity rounds with expanding/break apart hollow points. I worry a bit about over penetration, and little about vests (maybe changing). Need to look more at these unusual rounds.

Do you reload?

Bullet speed relates to kinetic energy by the square of speed, and linear with bullet mass. So yes, speed matters. There are a pile of tradeoffs in the physics of knockdown, from penetration, to wound cavity. The key is energy transfer.

For handguns, bullet speed leads to over penetration, unless the argument is around vest penetration. Both a 9mm and 22 magnum will go right through a person, causing a wound channel that is the bullet diameter plus the energy transferred in the passage.

What is different in this video is the energy transferred. This is due to the bullet features. The bullet is clearly expanding and/or coming apart in the higher velocity rounds. If this was a 2,200 fps FMJ, the bullet would go in/out, just like the slower ones. The energy has to transfer to make the water melon explode or a big wound channel. Velocity itself does not cause this energy transfer.

Regardless, 40cal, 10mm and 357 Sig are/can be better than 9mm for either velocity or muzzle energy. Which was my original point. The other end of the argument (which is annoying) is the 45 ACP, a big bullet, and rarely over-penetrates, but has has limited capacity, and limited muzzle energy.

DE 50 AE is cool. Looks and bragging rights over performance, but damn cool.

Now, I like that!

For concealed carry it's hard to beat 9mm.
Lots of good choices. Relatively cheap, reliable, accurate (as the shooter) and with the right round, good defense.

25n, I have a buddy I used to work with when we were younger whose son followed footsteps and-is a cop in Houston. He was at the August buyback in 2022. They garnered over 800 guns at a cost of a 100 grand. The vast majority were old Mausers with no bolts, Stevens single shot shotguns with broken triggers, one guy even turned in some 3D printed “ghost guns” that were no more functional than most of Bidet’s cabinet. Trash for cash. The ones that weren’t were obviously snatch and grabs for quick cash, er “gift cards”.
It’s a hoot when libtards get played, and too stoopid to even know they got in the deal a greasy feeling down under..

Personally, I find it immensely humorous when some snowflake tells me “your guns are weapons of war”.
I just take a few steps forward closer to them and whisper “not yet”…

Bullet speed really does matter, especially for kinetic energy damage. Ya’ll might find this interesting.

https://youtu.be/jAnf-Gd1298

These rounds may be what Bidet is referring to about “blowing a lung out” with the all powerful 9mm weapon of war.

Maybe I should just stick with my DE 50 AE. Kinda hard to conceal tho….

I really dont want to fight things like this in our courts. Best to avoid that if possible, while still remaining alive and keeping my stuff. If someone is hell bent on killing me, he is going to die by my hand for sure and right there on the spot
But if I can thwart the attack by non lethal means, I would rather do that than go through the courts
I think attackers would be much less inclined to attack if they knew I could simply stop the attack thereby preventing them from gaining anything.

If I was a cop, theres no way I would shoot a black person,. Given this, I would never BE a cop in this country at this time.

Take away the courts, and an attacker would most assuredly die if he/she tried an attack on me or anyone else close by

Yeah, a was looking at full size barrels 4.5"-6", not carry pistols.

One of my favorite arguments to "tough guys" with 357 snub noses is that 38 is just as powerful in a 6" barrel. 357 in a short barrel is just a fireball toy, not a practical round.

I'd just carry a 22 magnum, if the rim fire was reliable. I don't think I've ever met someone I'd be threatened by with a couple of 22 magnum holes in them. Somehow I have a mental block against 25, so I just stay with 9mm.

Test data with factory ammo shows much better pickup from longer barrels with anything other than 9mm. No doubt you can do anything with your own loads.

I maintain that whatever you are doing with 9mm, you can do more with 40, 10, 357 Sig, et al.

ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/9mm....
ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/40sw...

I haven't spent anytime looking at velocity in something like a 50 grain bullet, but if penetrating body armor is the objective, that is the way to go.

Am I reading the 9mm energy charts incorrectly?
It appears to me that the Corbon and Speer 9mm rounds shown are getting 40-50% increased energy from the 18" barrel over the 3".
The federal 9mm are lower energy performers but may have other benefits.
If I choose the Speer Gold Dot 9mm round that was tested, I get higher energy (and 300-400 higher fps) in a carbine.
The .357 magnum looks like the real winner on carbine energy, but it loses on handgun number of rounds without re-loading.

sorry, wrong
9mm out of a 16" Ruger PC Carbine gains 200 -300 feet per second
that extra velocity allows the 9mm to go through level 3 body armor

and i relaod so i can use the best power needed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJYce...

Thanks for the defense ammo data.

Re 40. My point was that 9mm is designed to get maximum energy out of a pistol barrel. It doesn't benefit much from a longer barrel. Many other rounds (40, 10mm, 357 sig, 357 mag, et al) take great advantage of a longer barrel.

Really wish 30 carbine went further. That is a great round! Great in a rifle. Great in the few pistols it was available in. Flatter than 38 super, et al. More powerful than most pistol rounds, and WAY more powerful in a rifle barrel. It got a bad rap in Korea, with nonsense about thick clothes (or frozen clothes) stopping it. Complete nonsense. My brother bought a Ruger Redhawk in it. I can't bring myself to pay the crazy numbers for the semi auto someone made (can't remember it). When I get better at gunsmithing, I'll make one.

That's one of my favorite firearm websites. Always open in a tab of my browser for near instant analysis.
.40 is definitely more powerful than 9mm regardless of the barrel length.

The Ranger T 9mm round that I mentioned elsewhere is the reincarnation of the Black Talon 9mm.
Black Talon got a reputation in the 90's and was removed from production.
(The moron media called it a 'cop-killer' bullet because it could shred a thin poorly designed vest -
thanks to government stupid vest specs.)
Then later, quietly production was restarted without the black coating or the name.
Black Talons sell now for about $8-$10 a round due to limited supply and infamy.
The Ranger T is about $0.80 a round for the same good personal defense performance.

Like Bonnie Raitt's old song: "Don't advertise your man"
Same applies to your arsenal.

For those of the members who have difficulty in racking a standard semi-auto pistol due to arthritis in their hands the Smith & Wesson M&P Shield EZ in either 9mm or 380. My local sporting goods store which has very knowledgeable employees helped me choose the said firearm when I explained my physical disability. It made a big difference in my participation in my local gun club.

I have bought AR parts from them before. Good company. I get cheap stuff from Delta Defense.

I did a bunch of 9mm ammo research for wound channel etc. Can't remember the best. I have to start writing stuff down.

Big fan of 10mm. Too bad it is so expensive, and there aren't too many 10 mm carbines. 9mm doesn't gain much in a longer barrel, but 40 S&W does, and 10mm does some too. You can shoot 40 S&W in most 10mm's. I'd really like a 10mm carbine. That has a lot more energy than 9mm, almost like 357 mag.

Great website: http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/ - it is no longer maintained. I should see if I can take over. GREAT data!

So, once you admit you don't want to be sued...
You THINK that wont be the attack.

We have drivers being paid, to pull in front of SEMI TRUCKS and brake hard, to collect the insurance payouts, and the legal extortion (they know the settlement numbers).

They will purposefully attack you. There is ZERO consequence to their bad actions. Worse case, they will PREY ON YOU with a bigger group.

I disagree. Kill them. Kill them hard. Kill them Fast. And pay the lawyers to do their job.
If you lose, you FIGHT IT ever step of the way.

I would rather die fighting, than on my knees!
And I would MUCH RATHER take as many with me, as I can.

No the MSM would lie and say it's the greatest mass killer in the US -like Exitstageright posted earlier:
https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...