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Single payer health care

Posted by $ TomB666 1 week, 5 days ago to Politics
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We really don't want this but libtards in congress are trying to push us into it.
SOURCE URL: https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/01/24/british-single-payer-health-care-program-is-cratering-that-should-be-wake-up-call-for-us-liberals/


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 1 week, 5 days ago
    They want us dead
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    • Posted by $ splumb 1 week, 5 days ago
      Hence the MAID program in Canada.
      For now, it's just being offered as an option.
      Just wait until Trudeau and company remove the choice and decide for themselves who's worth living and dying.

      I live close to the Canadian border, so I can pick up CBC Television. The Fifth Estate did a documentary on MAID last week, and it was terrifying.

      First it was just offered to the elderly who were already dying.
      Then they changed it to offer it to the terminally ill.
      Then they changed it to offer it to the people with illnesses that would be manageable, if not for the inevitable long waits of socialized medicine.
      Then they changed it to offer it to the homeless.
      Now they're changing it again, and will offer it to people with any sort of mental illness.

      Sounds like eugenics to me.
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      • Posted by $ Ben_C 1 week, 5 days ago
        I live outside of Detroit and it is an endless parade of people from Canada seeking diagnostics and treatment in the US. I have friends on the human side of health care and they see the dark side of single payer every day. I will never forget my grandfather - a human orthopedic surgeon - state in 1962 "don't let government take over health care!" How prophetic.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 1 week, 5 days ago
    Covid politicized health care as never before and that's just a taste of what's to come when government is FULLY in charge. That fool governor of NY is still saying unjabbed people have no business in the health care field. It's going to get worse.
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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 1 week, 5 days ago
    When you hear Billy-Bob Gates (of Georgia Guidestone fame), Chucky Schwab, WEF, WHO, UNICEF all talking about global depopulation, you had better take them seriously.
    They Really Do Want You Dead.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 week, 5 days ago
    Of course the elitists want this. How better to do away with dissenters and the unproductive than to simply "delay" necessary care until the damage is done. It's blatant and intentional - and evil.
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    • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 week, 5 days ago
      I would not mind them delaying much care.
      Most of it is Placebo affect, and 1/2 of it is not reproducible when disinterested scientists redo the studies.

      But they block details about what a healthy body is, and the 6-10 numbers every should really know to assess their risks.
      A1C,KETONES,CAC Score,FASTING INSULIN,FASTING C-Peptide,5hr Kraft Insulin/Glucose Challenge,HDL/Triglycerides, NMR cholesterol breakdown, and inflammation markers.

      There is a new book out showing that MANY mental illnesses are LIKELY Brain Metabolism problems. Let that sink in!
      More Alzheimer's than ever before, more metabolic disease than ever before...
      More suffering than ever before...
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      • Posted by $ blarman 1 week, 5 days ago
        Much of what is being delayed in the UK is critical/urgent care, like for heart attacks. That's not stuff you can delay without serious repercussions to the patient. And when the government mandates that the ER see every case brought in, this leads to non-essential cases (the ones you refer to) forcing the essential cases to the backlog.
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 1 week, 5 days ago
    Oh no. Oh no no no! This is handing the government a loaded gun! You think transplants are expensive now? Wait until the Government can decide who lives or dies! Our officials are so stupid they advertise "The vax will keep you from getting Covid! B S. There hasn't been a vaccine science has produced that prevents you from getting COVID. Make the disease more manageable but doesn't prevent it! I've worked in the health care field 65 years! That miracle hasn';t happened. N
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    • Posted by term2 1 week, 5 days ago
      the problem is that they lied about the vaccine to suit their purposes. If they said in the beginning you could still get covid, but with this shot it wont be as bad, at least we would get the truth and make a decision. lies, lies, hidden agendas= thats all we get from government.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 week, 5 days ago
    The problem with health care isn't that there is too much greed. The problem is that there are none of the conventional capitalistic means of controlling the outcome of greed.

    There are virtually NO consumer decisions involved in expenditures. None! Give the money to the people, and have the people pay the providers... or keep excess $ / pay the additional $. The problem will be solved in 10 minutes.
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    • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 week, 5 days ago
      My favorite... My wife needed a Colonoscopy (her last one), and she tried to determine the cost. Even knowing her insurance, they could not give us a reasonable price range.

      See, because it's based on what the insurance company will cover. They won't limit their upside.

      In another case, the dermatologist sent part of a cyst to a lab, against our wishes. The lab billed us $740 for testing. We refused to pay. We did not authorize this. But guess what, we have no proof. Luckily the doctor stepped up, because we were clear. It was the assistant who saw my wife had insurance on file, not realizing our deductible is like $5,000 so it's all out of pocket.

      But it's wrong. But trust me. The firm has a policy to send SOMETHING to the lab for every client they do anything with.

      We are not even consulted, or they "outright lie" that they MUST LEGALLY do it. In case it is cancer. (I love how they throw out cancer. ALL FEAR driven)
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 week, 5 days ago
        Insurance and medical industries are all about selling you back your fears!

        I have had a few powerful examples of people making tough decisions. One of my guys, a genius workhorse electrical engineering though leader got leukemia. He had a marrow transplant, and had it beat. Then it came back. He was getting some aggressive experimental treatments that were sort-of working. Also not covered by insurance.

        He looked at the cost, and what it would do to his family, and made the call to stop. His wife didn't agree, but it was his call. He was dead in 10 days.

        The worst part was that I was unaware his remission failed. He called me during a Corporate presentation and I put him off. I think he was telling me this was it. By the time I got back to him, he was in hospice and unresponsive. I visited him and his wife in hospice. He was unconscious and died the next morning. That dude was a real man.

        Knew a 14 yr old girl who made the same call.

        These are real tough people. 99.9% of people are terrified, flailing wimps, clinging to life, but living it none at all.
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        • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 week, 4 days ago
          Half my family died from cancer so far.
          I Certainly won't be taking the normal medical advice. I'd rather not be the statistic that spends 80% of my lifetime healthcare in my last 6 months.
          Crazy.

          I do recommend Dr. Fungs book: The Cancer Code. He blows the doors wide open on what he believes is at the root of cancer, and how modern medicine refuses to think differently, and has done poorly with a few exceptions.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 week, 4 days ago
            Really? I'll go look it up.

            I did have a conversation with two biology professors (on a bizarre flight cancellation trip I helped them get home from since I'm a road warrior). I had often thought that cancer was a form of evolution, and the animals that have been unchanged so long (sharks, etc.) don't get much cancer. They said "No that isn't a dumb at all. There is a lot to it". We didn't discuss much more, but I felt semi-validated.
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            • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 week, 4 days ago
              Actually you are close. But Fung believes it works in reverse of what you might expect. The TLDR; version is:
              A cancer cell is a cell that reverts to it's single cell nature. It refuses to be coordinated/controlled by the messages that multi-cellular organisms MUST abide by to be health. (Mold on bread will spread until it consumes all the bread)...

              So, it's the environment (inflammation, toxins, etc), then excess insulin can really help (really tall people get cancer a LOT more, and really short people almost do not get it. Insulin is THAT important of a growth factor).

              So, in a smokers lungs. Cancers cells are OUR cells that DEVOLVE to a lower level form, and try TRICKS to learn to grow in this new environment. (Where your thoughts come in). And they know based on tumor growth speed, versus cellular replication that most cancers are all metastatic, because they EXPEL their replicated cells outside of the tumor to see if they can take hold elsewhere. This accounts for the difference in the replication and the slower growth of the cancer.

              And if one of those cells ever make it back into the original cancer. They are promoted as a super survivor, and the tumor preferentially reproduces them.

              Fung points this out. It's 99% an environment problem. If you don't have an environment that supports the growth of Cancer... You will mostly avoid it. FWIW, fasting for 5-7 days triggers your body to stop growing new blood vessels. Something cancer tumors want. In fact, they produce chemicals to trick the body into giving them new access to blood via new vessels.

              So, as an example, someone who fasts regularly has LOWER INSULIN, and they kick off this process. A Double Whammy Against tumor cells. Wharberg showed that Cancer cells preferrentially used glucose as a fuel, and he felt it started with the mitochndria breaking first.

              Anyways, I am sure I am not doing it justice. But you can imagine that diet and lifestyle play a HUGE role. the linkage to Insulin/Height is mind boggling...
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    • Posted by term2 1 week, 5 days ago
      You have pre-approvals, which take time and money to do, and then appeals from those decisions which take time and money to work through. No wonder things are slow. And the administrative costs are not counted.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 week, 5 days ago
        There is no end to the nonsense. All driven by third party payment. If you pay, they all go away.
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        • Posted by term2 1 week, 5 days ago
          I remember years ago blue X paid 80% and you had to fork over the 20% and you knew in advance how much that was. Now you find out when you sign in for the procedure what theup front payment will be. I dont like the current system.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 week, 5 days ago
            Yep, I had the same issue, but still don't need many pre-approvals. Our insurance is pretty good. Of course. My wife is a professor of nursing and gets state insurance, which is far better than my private insurance as a "peasant" vice president and chief technology officer for a ~1$B company. /s/
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            • Posted by term2 1 week, 5 days ago
              All things for the minions of government are always better than for the peasants. Such is the nature of government. Govt exists for the perpetuation of itself and its minions
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  • Posted by term2 1 week, 5 days ago
    I already have single payer, medicare. The cow has already left the barn
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    • Posted by Aeronca 1 week, 5 days ago
      It's not too bad, give or take. Especially if you're healthy, it's a good plan. And it only works because it's limited. Let it be For All and watch it turn to shit.
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      • Posted by term2 1 week, 5 days ago
        its already not completely funded, and is a ponzi scheme. Given that most of the illegals are young and not included in medicare, the tax at least collected when (and IF) they work will help fund it as in every ponzi scheme.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 1 week, 5 days ago
    Here's one of the scariest arguments against anything resembling the NHS here in America. There are five times as many people here than in Britain (332M vs 67M), which means that (at least in theory) the bureaucracy to manage those numbers would need to be five times as large as the failing NHS.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 week, 5 days ago
      In actuality, it means that even with a bureaucracy 5x bigger you would have 50x more issues and disaster. Problems don't scale linearly in large systems, they scale exponentially. That's one of the reasons why massive control by a monolithic government can never work. It isn't just improbable - even if these elitists would acknowledge this - it is literally impossible. Distributed controls at the local level are the only way to effectively deal with these issues.
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      • Posted by $ pixelate 1 week, 5 days ago
        Yes -- problems do Not scale linearly. This is why the smaller Scandinavian countries (under 10M population) can actually fake their way through so-called socialized health care.
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      • Posted by term2 1 week, 5 days ago
        not really sure WHY this is, but it does seem plausible. Maybe part of the reason is that insufficient data travels up the bureaucratic chain to make good decisions for everyone under the control of that bureaucrat
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  • Posted by Aeronca 1 week, 5 days ago
    The best healthcare plan is don't get sick. More than half of the claims are from things we do to ourselves, like all illnesses associated with obesity, which is a choice, not a victim's disease.

    Single-payer just means the insurance industry will explode exponentially. That's what happened with the Un-Affordable-Scare Act. More insurance companies, more bureaucracy, more employees, more expense. Less care.

    It's a big power grab. CONgress can't get their hands directly on private insurance. They want single payer because they can get their hands on it. More opportunities to spend (steal.)
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    • Posted by $ pixelate 1 week, 4 days ago
      I agree completely. Single payer just removes personal accountability for an individual's health. Back when I was tangentially working in medicine (25 year software developer of Elec. Medical Records) -- the common lament among family practice doctors was that 80% of all patients' office visits, treatments and procedures were the result of personal lifestyle -- individual choices -- behavior.

      Do not get sick. Stay out of hospitals -- they are one of the most dangerous places to be.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 week, 5 days ago
    I am split on this topic.

    In our society, I am PERFECTLY FINE with FREE emergency/accidental medical coverage.
    But all other medical is out of pocket, or private insurance based. All optional.

    Finally, if the Emergency (say Heart Attack) was driven by Lifestyle (T2D, Obesity, etc).
    Then it is NOT covered completely. It's 50% covered the first time, and for the same lifestyle
    issue, 25% the next, then 0% after that. This gives them time to find insurance, and change
    their lifestyle.

    Doctors will be encouraged to advertise how few of their long-term clients need insurance, or have claims. While their short-term queue may be worse off, as they are not completely into a fixed lifestyle, they can advertise those, and how long it takes to make it to the second group.

    Then the price of insurance is of no concern. If you are healthy, you do NOT NEED catastrophic insurance. As accidents are covered. If you want additional insurance, you will pay, based on your ACTUARIAL risks, which are more accurate than normal Markers, trust me!

    We will have succeeded when a mother looks at their child and says "You will not have a Coke with dinner. I will not be responsible for you unable to survive without insurance!"

    Consider this. Millions of Asylum Seekers were very hungry in Germany. They were given junk foods as a way to sustain themselves. They threw them away. Most Germans and Americans would have eaten those Lunchables, and other junk foods. In fact, they do so gladly.

    Makes you think...

    PS: Safety nets are not a problem. But they should be set up so NOBODY wants to abuse them. (if you lose an arm or a leg, we can heal you. But most people don't keep repeating those things. Now, when they lose a foot to T2D, they may not want to fix their diets. But we don't pay for that!)

    The thought that we provide rolling carts for Obese people boggles my mind (As a previously morbidly Obese person!)
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    • Posted by Aeronca 1 week, 5 days ago
      100%. Cigarette smokers do not get coverage for lung cancer. Couch potatoes do not get coverage for heart attacks. Etc... Human beings tend to fall into safety nets when they are offered.

      Children tend to reach to the standards that parents provide. Hold a standard up high and kids will get up on their tip-toes and stretch their finger up to reach the goal. And so they grow.

      Safety nets set the goal lower than what would inspire a person to grow. Safety nets send a message: It's okay to fail. That's a dangerous message. For the weak, they will fail on purpose because it's easier. They will suffer for not growing and being dependent on others. And blame them for their own bad choices.

      As spoken from someone who caused himself some health problems!!!
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 1 week, 5 days ago
    We've heard from the socialists for decades: Health care is a human right. A society shall be judged as to how it administers to its sick and elderly. Love is love.

    The elephant in the room regarding single-payer / socialized health care is this: Single Payer is loved by collectivists for one reason: they will not have to change their sickly parents' shitty diapers. The State will handle it. Pure horse shit.
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