Correct. Adam Smith pointed out the benefit to the worker who is able to move to find better employment in The Wealth of Nations. It's one of the fundamental checks/balances in the marketplace. You can't corrupt/control the market without limiting the movement of the population. For more info, see the late Thomas Sowell's comments regarding the modern day plantations: the black urban jungle.

But which is easier to dispose of at end of life? Something can rust in a landfill and present zero danger to the water shed. Not so for batteries of any kind, which have to go to a hazardous waste facility...

I bought a Tesla because of the amazing safety ratings. Not paying for gas or maintenance is just a bonus.

It is a lot cheaper to fill a battery than a gas tank. Maybe the extra complexity is worth it. Also the engine of a gas car is hugely more complex than the motor of an electric.

I agree that the key is to let them develop or not in the market. Government subsidies allow bad ideas to prosper.

Almost, but not quite. Maybe shorten the battery life a bit so they will call for our service again and again and again... LOL

Bring lunch and reading material as you kick back and relax while the charging takes place. And the meter goes "ka-ching ka-ching".

Maybe we can offer additional services during charge time. Vacuum and cleaning? Wash and wax? Perhaps offer entertainment for a fee - trailer with comfort seating and a big screen TV (air and heat as needed, of course). After all this could go on for hours. Snack bar and necessary facilities? We'll need a quad cab pickup in case we need a few employees on a particular call. Maybe we could petition government to force insurance companies to cover the costs - it is a road hazard with public safety concerns - and that would make sure we get paid the big bucks.

Probably because it isn’t nearly as good as the assumed promise. I used to be on the H2 camp until I dug into the energy economics of it. We don’t find it just laying around in a reservoir to pump it, so we have to make it. And as it turns out when you have to make it you don’t get a positive energy return from burning it. H2 isn’t an energy source, it is a storage - but in a form we can’t get enough of it back out to be a net win.

I know, people talk about it having so much energy in it. This is true but not as relevant as how much you can extract. People make the same mistake in reverse with ethanol. Ethanol
has less, true. But in an engine designed for it, we get more of it out.

I usually describe it thusly:
I have two suitcases of money. One has a million bucks in it, the other has 700k in it. On the surface you’d want the first one. But there is a catch. You can only get 40% out of the first one, but 80% out of the second. Now which do you want?

Hydrogen has tons in it, but we can’t extract but a fraction of it and it takes more than we extract to make it. This is borne out in diesel heavy trucking versus HICE when diesel has a significantly total cost of operation. If you compare HICE energy chain efficiency to diesel, diesel is about 2x as efficiency - and that is not counting the energy that goes into producing the hydrogen. That last bit is missing from every single pro-hydrogen article.

When you do a full comparative analysis, hydrogen is a poor choice. The amount of energy that would be needed is far and above what we can produce (sounds familiar eh?) and where do you get that from? The best answer is nuclear. But if you go nuclear the more efficient cycle is electric storage in batteries for vehicles. On that way mass hydrogen and electric vehicles share the same problem: that of electrical production and distribution.

Agree E V are like the early days of motor cars shifting from Horse carriages. It will take a decade or so before they become normal communication; Too many issues involved, including safety and reliability.

Thanks for the link.
This deserves its own post.

It only takes a few moments of rational thinking and reasoning to know this is a genocidal push on mankind. They want to control you. Imagine a targeted city where the power grid is shut down.
An immobile population is at risk of not being able to evacuate. The bigger Question is why do we let the Delete who push this on us continue to breath.

not enough money it in for the right people?

just like with EVs, if serious, were are the power lines in the streets to give power to them, where are the solar panels in orbit??

you mean to blow up their EVs?
LOL

And, at least in NC, fueled by coal. If you are driving an ev, you should be REQUIRED to fuel it by wind or solar power ONLY.

The battery in an electric car is the functional equivalent of the gas tank in an internal combustion powered vehicle. They both serve to store the energy necessary to operate the vehicle. However, while a gas tank is a very simple device modern batteries are marvels of technological complexity. They are made of exotic and potentially dangerous materials and have a limited life span. They constitute a major fraction of the cost of manufacture and maintenance of the vehicle. Economically, they are a poor substitute.

Toyota knows what they're doing - with a tepid entry into EVs. Not nearly efficient enough to be practical.

There are only four members of Congress who own EVs.This shows a lack of confidence they have in EVs. As I have posted in the past owning an electric car, never again. More development needs to be done on battery element composition expanding the driveable range and tolerating a faster charge rate. Until then I will drive my ICE car.

BINGO!!!!! Have it set up to “FAST CHARGE”.

I have been an advocate for H2 ICE for most of my life and for the life of I can't understand why it hasn't taken off.

easy to make/generate also

I agree that electric vehicles will ultimately be a failure. Battery energy density and recharge times will never compare to what internal combustion engines (ICE) can currently provide.

In my opinion the answer to this issue is for us to convert over to using hydrogen as our fuel source. Current ICE vehicles can be converted to run on hydrogen, and as hydrogen is the most common element in the Universe we will never run out.

The first electric vehicle was invented in 1890 and an electric vehicle held the land speed record until 1900.Electric vehicles were experimented with when cars were being developed. After almost 150 years of experimenting, developing and research they are still experimental and unable to compete with carbon fueled automobiles.
With subsidies maintaining the entire infrastructure required to make them work they are still expensive, unreliable and difficult to maintain. It may be that until electricity can be produced incredibly cheaply and power lines laid into the roads to supply constant power they will never be able to compete. Even then they could not provide the freedom of choice to leave the road for the trail less traveled.
When government plunders people who would not make a choice to enforce and provide a choice for those misguided people who think they are saving the world by creating more pollution than they would if they would drive a gasoline powered car then mistakes are not only made they are magnified until the destruction is so complete that it cannot be ignored and they give up.
Then they will request those who can use violence to direct others to make another unwise choice, wind powered cars, and use the existing system of violence to continue to force others to live unwisely. I think the government should enforce the production of buggy whips. All those unfortunate people who know how are not gainfully employed. I have a long list of where the government should be employed to help make the world fair, just and the Utopia that I have always dreamed it could be.

Love the idea of an electric car:
Pluses> quick, silent, techkie for the geek in me, fill 'er up at home.
Minuses> Cost, Range, Batteries from China, too much tech, in a world with already too much tech.
Add this all together with an already strained electric grid and it doesn't add up.
Last: the big push for going electric is contradictory.
The Woke doesn't want hydrocarbon fuels (oil does not come from rotting dinosaurs) and they don't want nuclear.
On a still night, zero power is coming from "renewables" That doesn't leave enough juice for a light bulb and a dorm fridge.

Zero-Point Energy exists. Be it ancient technology or off-world reverse engineered, we know it exists.
Until the powers that enslave us economically allow it to be known (and why would they?) Electric cars will remain play things for the rich.
Then there is the control factor (hat tip to mhubb)

just as with other stuff, most do not care as long as they have their sports, cell phones, ect...

id like one of the Generac systems
back up solar feeding a battery system
not connected to the grid

and i'd want a spare in EMP protection

WOW!!
LOL!!!

need a partner?