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Compromise

Posted by coaldigger 12 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Is it reasonable to reach a compromise with similar parties in order to prevent a total loss? I am against compromise in most situations because you end up with some diluted hodgepodge that isn't good for anyone but I also don't like to be standing in the wilderness waving a flag that too few salute.

I have read that the producers of AS III are throwing out a small token to the religious right with Dagny speaking to a priest. I heard Yaron Brook say on radio that a possible coalition with groups on the right could result in a constituency that could win and move the US in the right direction. His condition would be that religion and social issues would not be considered in the party's platform and that all programs be based entirely on the protection of individual rights. This would lead to free markets and the unfettered growth of capitalism.

I am not sure that conservatives, libertarians, the tea party activists and the large mass of people that are only progressive based on social issues could get along. I do however think it is a greater possibility than the strict Objectivist approach. Altruism has the emotional advantage of the promise of life after death that rational, objective thought cannot compete with to gain a majority.


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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How is it that it's supposedly more relevant now? Because religious fervor has caused more misery over the last decade? Because its so rational? I completely disagree, and find that the mere suggestion that it is somehow relevant to AS to be be such a load of crap to be laughable, if it weren't so scary. You've missed the point of the book if you think it's relevant to the story line in the present day.
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That, and the heaps of guilt we are supposed to be wracked with if we think of ourselves before anyone else. I have never understood how it is I should be made to feel that there is some inherent flaw in my character because I want success, monetarily, in the goals I set for myself, and in the raising of children whom I strive to teach these moral principles. Logical rational thinking, not just going out blindly, guiltily, furtively, seeking some sort of intangible redemption from some being that says, "Put no one above me". I will put no one above myself, let alone be told if I don't, I will suffer eternally in hell.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I guess not...feel like I ended up in a dust pan in the closet. Waiting for an answer....like a boob.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Poor kathy...lurking and reading so she doesn't get too far behind only to realize there a things she HAS to respond to, so she pops in for a minute to get it off her chest. lol
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    best line of the day. I have no beef with another's engine oil. but I choose my own. and it's......I have no idea what kind of oil goes in the car. my husband figures that out. lol
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yea, and talking to a priest? heck- Navaho shaman, wicken priestess, head of Homeland Security , navel gazer,
    I don't want to offend any believer -but I do want to be inclusive-
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    uncommon, your frustration is what I call dissonance with philosophies/beliefs.
    venn diagram effect. in here we fairly hum with our intersections.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Christianity is the root of altruism and as long as people will reject reason for the promise of life after death there is no chance for individual freedom to prevail. We can hang out in the gulch but we are just cooling our heels until they all starve.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    well we had to clean up a little in here for the open house :)
    you weren't squeaky enough I guess
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not all that frustrated...I just like to yell "Christ Almighty" when the subject of religion splatters the gulch.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Remember when I said it would lead to frustration? I see you're feeling it. I have no problems discussing religion, but on a different post.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey...let's have Dagny wear a burka.... just for only 20 seconds or so...make everybody feel included..it will send a message that will reach the audience..... ah!
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Christ Almighty! Why are trying to force religion into AS's message? Never mind....don't answer that...you'll just repeat yourself.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It got moved waaaaay down...and your reply "good Point" isn't even under it..? The format's gone all weird.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    coal, your post is likely going to be semi-famous. tomorrow check out the FB page for the movie.
    as to the bolting-
    http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/13...

    I always recommend keeping a bolting bag(coined by LetsShrug and deserves line of the day) packed and ready to go. you will find this useful in all sorts of entanglements in your life, including your govt
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    hey? where's your comment that I replied "good point" to?
    and what's with the new one who is well versed and only commented on this post with no intro-because has no interest in hanging out here-
    drum roll, please! newsletter
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    hey bandakar, what's your background?

    if you want to do a movie demonstrating the principles of Objectivism, then don't call it Atlas Shrugged. I would not consider this proposed scene to be a minor detail.
    "...how well the movie mimics the book and think for ourselves." if you somehow cannot not see individualists who think for themselves in this forum, I suggest you recheck your premise
    lastly, go for it-write your own book or screenplay-we would all cheer you on.

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  • Posted by bandakar23 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You make a valid point as to the characteristics of the heroes within both the book and movie. Rand did a magnificent job of denouncing religion within the book by refusing to acknowledge it as relevant. Exceptionally brave for her era. But this is a different world than her time, and the lack of mention for religion does not hold the same meaning today as it did when the books were written. This must be adapted to effectively reach the audience.
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