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Compromise

Posted by coaldigger 12 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Is it reasonable to reach a compromise with similar parties in order to prevent a total loss? I am against compromise in most situations because you end up with some diluted hodgepodge that isn't good for anyone but I also don't like to be standing in the wilderness waving a flag that too few salute.

I have read that the producers of AS III are throwing out a small token to the religious right with Dagny speaking to a priest. I heard Yaron Brook say on radio that a possible coalition with groups on the right could result in a constituency that could win and move the US in the right direction. His condition would be that religion and social issues would not be considered in the party's platform and that all programs be based entirely on the protection of individual rights. This would lead to free markets and the unfettered growth of capitalism.

I am not sure that conservatives, libertarians, the tea party activists and the large mass of people that are only progressive based on social issues could get along. I do however think it is a greater possibility than the strict Objectivist approach. Altruism has the emotional advantage of the promise of life after death that rational, objective thought cannot compete with to gain a majority.


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  • Posted by skurtzman 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for being the voice of reason. It's difficult enough to get AS into theatres, keep the priest and religion out of Ayn's story and don't fuel the controversy, or dilute the message.
    Why prriests? They're not
    exactly"saints"
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  • Posted by catskinner 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well put!!! The time may be ripe for a 3rd party with an objectivist backbone. there are many people i know who would move to the middle if they thought they had a chance.
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  • Posted by jsw225 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No link, it was in the introduction of my Atlas Shrugged 50th Anniversary edition. It explains the characters, early drafts and outlines and the directions that Rand planned for the book.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's just it. It is REASON that distinguishes the human from all the bigger, stronger, faster versions of near-humans that walked erect. When one sits down and uses reason to make sense out of life, to solve problems, to organize and live with others, it is ultimately moral. Everything that is in the long term best interest of you as an individual is good, all else is evil. The founders intelligently said rights are "endowed by our creator", no one said God. We, who evolved are our own creator and we owe ourselves those rights. All else flows from there.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    good point. all I read was a priest as a minor character. have a link to support your first statement? the rest of what you are saying, I agree to
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  • Posted by jsw225 12 years, 2 months ago
    Ayn Rand almost included a priest as one of the main characters in Atlas Shrugged. The main problem she had with a religion in the context of the book was placing a possible believer into that religion, and how that priest deals with it.

    The problem with almost all religions (using christianity as a specific example) is that they use Guilt as their first weapon of coercion. If you look at Religion and Statism side by side, you quickly realize that they are basically the same. One tries to control souls, the other tries to control lives. One gets the parish to worship the priest, the other gets the constituents to worship the government. Personally I don't like trading one group of progressivists for another.

    But then you start to get into the question of "God Given Rights." It is no secret that men perform better when they act with morals and believe and act for individual rights. Is it divine intervention that things go well for people that live their own lives and don't mess with the lives of others? Or is it genetics that we reward people who believe and live for the Right of Self Determination, and the Right of Private Property?
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  • Posted by hugsheila 12 years, 2 months ago
    Compromise? Yes, it is necessary. Otherwise there could be no successful marriages!
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  • Posted by Tuner38 12 years, 2 months ago
    What has brought us to the debt we now endure if not compromise?
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  • Posted by Rglab 12 years, 2 months ago
    No Compromise, period. Look at hat is happening inside the Washington beltway-we're just a short distance from Directive 10-289!

    RJG
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't think that'll work on the muslims. But it definitely will work against the Libs! They'll probably gasp at you, swearing..."They're all about PROFITS!" Eeeeviiillll! lol.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Will my dollar sign necklace have the same effect (affect?...I have a headache and don't care if it's wrong)... I'd rather glint that in their eyes. And "oink" while I do it. lol
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a store near me that has bacon chocolate. Bits of bacon are in the chocolate. I haven't tried it yet, but am getting some tomorrow for my daughter. Coffee, cookies, pie.... BACON
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Neither, pray openly. Trust me, they don't stick around! To terrorize you and me, they resort to cutting off heads, clitorectomies for little girls, blowing themselves up, etc.

    But I've found that all you have to do, is make the sign of the cross and immediately begin praying. They will not stay in the immediate area, and leave immediately. At least where my better half and I have done it. No joke.

    Why throw out perfectly good bacon? Damn...cookies and bacon. Coffee too. The Good Life!
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