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Another analysis of Ukraine

Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 6 months ago to History
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I thought I'd add one more scholarly look at the basket-case which is the Ukraine/Black Sea region. The author lays out some of the history of the region as well as the less-admirable aspects of US involvement.

Another way to look at it is the Cuban Missile Crisis - just reversed. Can anyone really fault Putin for not wanting HIMARS systems - potentially nuclear tipped - right off his border and especially in a region which has been affiliated with Russia for hundreds of years?


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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 6 months ago
    I believe I shared the videos from others showing how it is NATO who has encroached on Russia's Borders.
    NATO that Torments Russia (Even Biden said it EXISTS to torment Russia).

    The truth is that there is a CYLCE to everything (Life, Governments, Beliefs, etc).

    And it is natural for people to want to move society in certain directions. When you have too much freedom and opportunity dissenters clamor for more govt control. And do things to initiate it's necessity.

    So, as Russia was the first big ALL-IN Communism with some success... As it failed. It only had ONE DIRECTION to travel towards. That was more individual Freedom. That was CLOSER to capitalism. And boy has she! (Honestly, if you saw the changes I've witnessed since 1990s until a few years ago. AMAZING. Nicer/better stores than we have!)

    China is doing all kinds of NASTY stuff. But notice we are not upset with them to the point of wanting to start a nuclear war. China killed far more people internally, etc. Not barely a word!

    Ever Since Russia started kicking out the Globalists... The banksters... He became Public Enemy #1.
    And we've done a LOT to irritate him. (Striking that bridge, blowing up THEIR pipelines. We are now the terrorists!)
    [But haven't we always been, after Kennedy was taken out?]

    If I were in charge of America, I would let go of Ukraine. I would spend ALL of that money creating and deploying GEN IV Nuclear reactors, with a state goal of 100% of our electrical grid provided by ZERO Carbon Nuclear Power Plants that CONSUME the WASTE product of the OLD nuclear power plants!

    And be rebuilding our infrastructure, protecting our grid from EMP, in ways where once an area gets to NUCLEAR power, the grid could be severed... Forcing all the states to do it, to avoid the exposure.

    Because as long as we have electricity, we can have a modern life.
    WHEN (and not if), that electricity stops. The death toll will make Communism look like a Dry Run!
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 6 months ago
    So if Putin takes over ukraine and has 40 million people ready to assassinate him at their first opportunity, what does he really gain. There is Poland, which is staunchly against Russia (remember russia invaded them at the start of WW2), and will be a distinct enemy of russia right on its border.
    Fact is that Russia is a communist country which can only exist by taking over other countries continually. I dont see any threat to Russia from the west, as long as Russia isnt a threat to everyone else.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You may have missed the post where we had a great analysis of the scientific method. In that it was pointed out that in order for an idea to be promoted to the point of being a "theory" it has to undergo rigorous testing and support.

    I know popular culture ignores this aspect about theories and treats them as less than hypotheses, but we should point out to them that there is significant evidence for each and every one of the items here which is ignored only at one's own peril.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What makes you say that?

    We have here a good forum where we appreciate extended explanations over sound bites. If you have some specific arguments and would care to share them, you'll find nothing less than a considerate audience even if we might disagree with the premise. You may have a point yet to be considered. We won't know until you share it, however.
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  • Posted by mikeofallon 2 years, 6 months ago
    If like CMC, Putin would have demanded dismantling (with proof) of the offensive systems & most of the world would have understood. If his demand not met, then go after those systems. Killing civilians & bombing non-military areas shows it's a land / natural resources grab.
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    Posted by craigerb 2 years, 6 months ago
    "Another bias analysis of Ukraine" would be a better title.
    "That the U.S. would meddle with Russia’s vital interests" was especially laughable.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nice solution, bman.
    Unfortunately the scum can still do immeasurable amounts of damage if the just move.
    NIFOITOWTBS.
    The UN has earned it and deserves it.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    hehe...

    I have another idea. Simply move them to one of those African nations they've been trying to control. Let them work and live like that for a couple of years. Give them a little compassion and a reality check from their elitist backgrounds.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think at one point in time it fulfilled a noble ideal - that of banding together nations against a singular threat. No one can doubt that that threat - Russia - was very real. One can certainly entertain a healthy debate about whether or not that threat still remains and to what potency.

    The problem is that - as you point out - it has turned from a self-defense treaty into a political one. In that way it is not dissimilar to the various treaties negotiated between WW I and WW II between England, France, and Germany. The fallout has certainly been similar: just as England and France pushed Germany into a corner following WW I, NATO's courting of Ukraine performs a similar maneuver in boxing in Russia. The other members of NATO have also neglected to attain to their responsibilities - especially when it comes to defense spending. This further degrades the notion of NATO as a military defense body and enhances its appearance as nothing but a political body.

    In my opinion, the United States should look to cement one-on-one alliances with key players but leave NATO unless all of its members agree to return to focusing on self-defense as per NATO's key charter. Given that every other nation involved in NATO has devolved into socialism, I seriously doubt this will happen.

    But before I would worry too much about NATO, I'd ditch the United Nations. There is no more corrupt, elitist bunch of supercilious snobs than those. They turn their noses up at the United States despite our funding 1/3 of all UN activities. I would cut off that funding and withdraw our support and let them see what they do.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 6 months ago
    Thanks Blair, A good piece with historical context. There is no democracy in Ukraine, the leadership is nothing but a bunch of psychotic mobsters . Just like the US. The sovereignty of the citizens was stolen by the Obama color revolution. Just like 2020 election right here . Much of this has been discussed on this board already. The essay does not touch on the George Soros ,Victoria Nuland, Clinton Foundation, Adam Schiff , Romney, Biden, Pelosi, Kolomoisky, Petro absolute shit show of corruption including child Trafficking ( remember Jeffrey Epstiens plane flew to Ukraine 2 dozen times) to Money laundering to Antifa / neoNazi training. To weapons theft and Likely drugs. When all those above con artists say Putin bad , something tells me he is justified for his actions. Like biolabs and a NATO threat.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Given the nature of the parasitical global delete, that probably was the main reason although a good stroking of their hubris was even more pleasurable and preferable.
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  • Posted by mhubb 2 years, 6 months ago
    i still do not know why NATO still exists
    except to fill the pockets of politicians
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