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Another analysis of Ukraine

Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 6 months ago to History
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I thought I'd add one more scholarly look at the basket-case which is the Ukraine/Black Sea region. The author lays out some of the history of the region as well as the less-admirable aspects of US involvement.

Another way to look at it is the Cuban Missile Crisis - just reversed. Can anyone really fault Putin for not wanting HIMARS systems - potentially nuclear tipped - right off his border and especially in a region which has been affiliated with Russia for hundreds of years?


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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Revolution of Dignity also known as the Maidan Revolution and the Ukrainian Revolution, took place in Ukraine in February 2014.
    That is when the US took over Ukraine.
    2. Chechen Republic lost its independence when it’s continuous terrorist attacks in Russia caused retaliation. Now the Chechian soldiers are paid by Putin to fight the NeoNAZI’S that you totally ignore.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, it is mostly about stealing from the American people and distributing $ and power to the
    oligarchs, the politicians. That is where most of the booty is, in the funding being sent to
    Ukraine and redistributed to the Deep State mob of traitors and their conspirators.
    They have stated publicly that they want most of us dead and the rest enslaved (owning nothing.)
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    1- invasion and takeover of ukraine, #2- invasion and takeover of the baltic states, #3- invasion and takeover of poland. He even mentioned all this in one of his many speeches about returning russia to the glory of the soviet empire.

    Our government was STUPID to be so friendly with Stalin, what can I say. England is a real piece of work with its socialism. Intellectually bankrupt, with USA not far behind.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you are seeing it play out in Ukraine. "get away" means to me that his invasion is successful. It hasnt happened yet, but it appears to be headed that way.

    If he is successful at his invasion of ukraine, he will next go for the baltic states. polamd, amd romania. Its all about what he can get before the world stops him. (or he simply dies or is assassinated)
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Russia used the help of the west to take over more countries after WW2."

    More accurate to say they took advantage of the West's apathy and loss of appetite for war. Churchill didn't even last until V-J day before he was canned by the British. The British only made token actions in the Pacific Theatre once Berlin fell. (They did intervene in Greece, however.) And the new socialist government in England - and it was socialist didn't want to compete with another socialist nation in Russia. All of mainland Europe was in complete disarray. Russia used its influence to take over Yugoslavia (Tito). It pulled back for a week to allow the Nazis to execute 1/2 the city of Warsaw just so they could install a puppet government there.

    Patton wanted to force the Russians all the way back to their own territory - beyond Poland's 1938 borders. He was told to stand down by Truman and Eisenhower ostensibly because the US didn't want to start a war with an ally and because there was still the fight with Japan to finish off. I think that Eisenhower only really regretted this several years later as President when he had to deal with some of the fallout.

    "Doesnt it look like Putin wants to take over countries to regain Soviet power?"

    Like what, exactly? Cite specifics because I'd sure like to know what actions you infer are "expansionist."
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If that were the case, however, you would see him going after the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Those three nations have made significant strides since becoming independents and sport market economies and free elections. And given that all three border the sea, they have open commerce.

    Where do you think Putin can "get away with expansionism?" I'm just not seeing it actually play out...
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Attila the hun would have simply eradicated the offending lab and probably destroyed some additional territory as a message
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Russia is hell bent on expansionism whenever it CAN get away with it. They knew that with Biden at the helm, they could get away with annexing other countries on pretty much any pretense, and have no real consequences.
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    Posted by term2 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The whole area is f&*(&ed up. So little attention paid to just letting people be free by government in general. Sometimes I think anarchy would be better.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Russia used the help of the west to take over more countries after WW2. It was a totalitarian regime for sure. Doesnt it look like Putin wants to take over countries to regain Soviet power? Its what he publicly says about mother russia.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But we have an intellectual problem now, not a purely money supply issue like in the 30's. People are driven emotionally now, at the expense of reason. The only thing going in favor of things improving is for the results of leftism to be so bad that people will rethink what we do. This is the end game that AR proposed in AS. I kind of think that this is the only way we will get back to freedom.
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  • Posted by $ 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your rating dropped because the cardinal rule of this forum is simple: does the post provide value in the eyes of other members of this community. Your cardinal mistake was in failing to provide any kind of cogent argument or backup for your question, which was obviously made out of sarcasm and without any seriousness.

    I would also be very careful about calling anyone on this forum a "troll." We are active in self-policing and the rating system is how that is accomplished: we vote down those who do not provide value. Now it isn't that one can not disagree. I disagree with others here frequently. It is in how one goes about that process that matters. Come armed with solid facts and logic and while people may not agree with you, they won't downvote you.

    But as you would notice if you looked at profiles, those (like me) with ratings over 10,000 have done so only by extensive effort on our parts. I've been a paying member of this forum (a producer) for ten years. I even published a book on Amazon and credit this group in particular for helping me refine my arguments. To put down those who have produced so much is to discredit yourself within this community.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most countries, I would have said ours at one point, would have taken a very hard, perhaps violent stance, toward a nation having bio-weapons labs on its border, and that's even without a strategic port.
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  • Posted by fairbro 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You didn't see Kiev invading ethnic-Russian Donbass in 2014, and killing civilians, bombing churches, apartment buildings and even an orphanage?

    Because ALL of those Youtube videos were deleted by Google in 2015. I saw with my own eyes, a kiosk where i bought French fries and the nearby bus terminal in Lugansk, in 2012, turned to rubble in 2014, in a YouTube video. That video disappeared in 2015. It didn't meet "community standards." LOL!

    The most frequent visitors to the Obama White House were Google (Youtube) executives. And what did they discuss there? If you guessed "behavior modification" you would be pretty accurate
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  • Posted by fairbro 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Here is a source on Ukraianian state-sponsored terrorism against its own journalists :

    https://www.rt.com/russia/564217-ukra...

    Russia used to be bad, I stayed at a Journalist's apartment in a Russian city where the mafia had some power, and there was kidnapping and worse but that was 15 years ago. That area has been cleaned up. Things are much better now.

    Not so Ukraine.
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    Posted by craigerb 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Independent journalists and newspapers no longer exist in Ukraine as many of them are already in prison, many others have been killed and the rest are either scared to death or fleeing the war-torn state."
    Did you mean to say "Russia"?
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  • Posted by craigerb 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're kidding, of course. My rating went from +14 to -28 (a swing of 42) for just asking if Trump deserved jail time, the answer to which is even more evident now than when I originally asked. Meanwhile, trolls have ratings of over 50,000.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The military conflict in Eastern Europe has been raging for 8 months now. The hostilities demanded consolidation and cooperation between the Western countries from the very outset on 24 February. Our politicians in the White House as well as overseas in Whitehall, London, and other European capitals united at once to withstand Russia’s attempts to violate the existing world order. At least that is what we heard from the mass media. The West should work hard to provide Kyiv with massive military and financial aid, they said.

    It is the very moment where the fundamental pillar of the idea of “good Ukrainians” and “bad and vicious Russians” appears.
    However, solidarity between a bunch of state leaders is much easier to establish than between the citizens of countries. Our people demand logic and a fair explanation as to why they have to pay a fortune for a certain Ukraine and a certain Zelensky – who, it is said, will withstand Russian aggression with bravery and passion.

    Our authorities utilised the media to persuade us, the people, that we should be tolerant and perceive Ukrainians as our own fellows. The main idea was, and remains, that both the Western and Ukrainian spirits have common values including inalienable human rights, democracy, courtesy etc.

    At once our media turned Mr. Zelensky from a bribe taker who fuelled corruption into an innocent progressive country leader.

    Moreover, these 8 months have proved that freedom of speech and an honest government are not familiar notions for Ukraine. What can we talk about when there is a single information source for each Ukrainian mass media and TV? Have you heard that all political parties opposing the ruling party have been officially banned in Ukraine? I doubt it because our media do not emphasise these “insignificant events.”

    Independent journalists and newspapers no longer exist in Ukraine as many of them are already in prison, many others have been killed and the rest are either scared to death or fleeing the war-torn state.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Had to +1 all that, CaptainKirk.

    "China is doing all kinds of NASTY stuff..." I think China gets a pass from the left and its media is because it hasn't publicly thrown out communism. Russia has and, therefore, has earned the ire of the American left. They hate Russia and want it destroyed for poking Marx in the eye.
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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If the see eye aye didn't stage a coup back in 2014 there wouldn't be a SNL back bencher ruining their country. Before the coup, Zelensky's claim to fame was playing a piano with his junk. No lie.
    If you expect Russia to just walk away from this, you don't know squat about Russian history.
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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 2 years, 6 months ago
    Put it in perspective: Putin places troops and advanced nuclear tipped missiles in Quebec Canada and Juarez Mexico with the promises of absolution protection by joining the Eastern Block Nations. This is what NATO has done to Russia. No matter what you think of Russia as a nation or their ideology, NATO has put a loaded gun to their head. I am honestly surprised Russia hasn't bombed the snot out of Poland yet. They have it coming. I wouldn't waste a tear on them when it happens, and it will happen. The extra-constitutional 3-letter-agency (made up of Wall Street Lawyers) initiated a color revolution in 2014 that resulted in a coup of the democratically elected president. What took its place are neo-nazis, right down to the swastika tattoos on their soldiers arms. What happened to our Republic? This nation has become as dirty as dirty, corrupt and untrustworthy as any in history. This can not possibly end well.
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  • Posted by fairbro 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I posted an excerpt from his speech. Do you think Hitler ever spoke like that?

    The USA is involved becuase it has been driven mad by the media? The Deep State and the media are getting richer and more powerful from this war.
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  • Posted by fairbro 2 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't think in terms of the past. It's a new paradigm, coming down the road, like a runaway train. It may be turbulent for a while, but the future will be glorious.The forces of evil (the oligarchs limiting our Human Rights) will be exposed and defeated, and America will become great again, even if the rest of the world has to help pull it back to its greatness. (Edgar Cayce predicted that in the 1930's).
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