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Lindsey Graham kicks abortion hornets' nest. Is there a logic here I'm missing?

Posted by bubah1mau 2 weeks ago to Politics
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From federalizing this issue one way (under Roe) to federalizing it Graham's way. Why not leave this as a state's right issue, and let each state voters decide the issue the way they choose instead of cramming one opinion down everyone's throat?

To McConnel's credit, he's refusing to bring this to a Senate vote.
SOURCE URL: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/13/grahams-abortion-ban-senate-gop-00056423


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    Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 weeks ago
    He’s a miserable shill and goes any way he sees the political winds blow. It’s just that simple. This is a desperate move to “prove” he’s “conservative” to Trump supporters. Even after he fell all over himself to condemn 1/6. He saw what happened to Cheney. He’s a worthless piece of shit with NO SPINE and no principals who should be voted out of office.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 2 weeks ago
      "no principals who should be voted out of office."
      He fits in perfectly in the con-gress.
      I can only think of one or two who actually honor their oath to the constitution and Graham isn't one.
      Any such law would be as unconstitutional as Roe v Wade was.
      It is not and never has been the business of the federal government,
      DC is an abomination.
      NIFOITOWTBS.
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  • Posted by Misanthropic-Shrugger 1 week, 6 days ago
    Lindsey is a spaghetti-spined, opportunist. He is the worst kind of politician (or the most adept, depending on your lens). He is seeking brownie points with his voters. He knows damn well this will go nowhere. He knew that before he initiated the process. Senators and Congress critters do this all the time, so they can tout "the effort" when election time rolls around.

    Wake up and see through the mist.
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  • Posted by mhubb 2 weeks ago
    it is NOT a state's rights issue
    the CHILD is ALIVE
    and should NOT be murdered
    it has done NOTHING to deserve being killed
    it is innocent
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    • Posted by bobbitchen34 1 week, 6 days ago
      My suggestion would be simple, since it doesn't look to be a solution. People can vote with their actions.
      If you are a women - don't have an abortion.
      If you are a man - don't ask your woman to have an abortion.
      Government steps in where personal responsibility steps out.
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    • Posted by bobbitchen34 1 week, 6 days ago
      Very true, except due to the level of evil prevalent in our country it becomes what is the lesser of 2 evils.
      So at least as a state's rights issue there will be less of it and more chance for it to be representative as it should be, True right and wrong unfortunately are not the limiting factors anymore.
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    • Posted by $ splumb 1 week, 6 days ago
      Thank you, right on the money, mhubb!
      As the opposition said when Roe v. Wade first went through, abortion is MURDER.
      Roe v. Wade existed because women wanted to engage in pre-marital sex without having to face the consequences of their actions.
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  • Posted by fairbro 1 week, 6 days ago
    It's not true that people can now decide about abortion.

    In Kansas last year the far-Left Topeka Supreme Court discovered a "Right To Abortion" in the Kansas Constitution. A statewide referendum was held that said the Kansas Constitution does not say anything about abortion.

    The Left, and 100% of the media (+ George Soros), marketed this as an "attack on constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms" ignoring abortion altogether (although the Left also deluged the state with sinister suspicions of abortions with unclean knives in dirty kitchens and attacks on personal privacy (My Body, My Choice).

    In other words, the Left was, as usual, dishonest.

    The black-robed tyrants in Topeka have abrogated yet another Human Right - the right of self-representation.

    The Kansas Supreme Court also sets the school/property tax rate by claiming the amount of taxes collected is not "adequate,".not matter what amount the legislature decides to allocate.
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 1 week, 6 days ago
    I'm trying to understand this issue. I think originally a group of desperate women pushed for Roe v Wade and got a victory. As I understand it, RvW didn't say all states had to follow. It was up to the individual states to make that decisioin. But it was so wildly accepted that was overlooked. In the 60's a woman couldn't work past her 5th month of pregnancy at the large corporations and this caused a lot of women great misery. Also you were ostracized and labeled a slut for getting pregnant without a husband. Surely you probably slept with any man who came along. Not so! I watched their misery and grieved for some of my friends making decisions they didn't really want to make. I believe in States Rights. Many of these friends went to Mexico and in a nice hospital were able to get a safe abortion. That didn't relieve their grief. They never got over the loss of that child.
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    • Posted by tutor-turtle 1 week, 5 days ago
      I am old. I know many women, friends and family, who chose to end the life of their unborn child. Every single one, without exception, regretted that decision. Yes there was stigma attached to being an unwed mother back before RvW. Less has changed than most people realize, they just aren't as vocal about it. Our moral center, the Greatest Generation, is all-but gone.
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    • Posted by $ splumb 1 week, 6 days ago
      But they had other options.
      They could have carried their child to term and put the child up for adoption.
      They could have used birth control. Lots of types were available back then.
      They could have kept their legs closed.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 week, 6 days ago
    I personally am anti-abortion.

    With that said, I also strongly believe that this is something that should not be legislated, at any level but most certainly not at the Federal level. Abortion should be legal and rare. I see abortion as a necessary evil.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 week, 6 days ago
    Politically, this is poorly-timed virtue signalling.

    From a purely philosophical perspective, however, one must ask the question: if the People have the Right to Life, Liberty and Property (and the Pursuit of happiness), then by that virtue, the Declaration of Independence right there codifies a right to Life and as such should outlaw abortion on demand. Through the application of the Supremacy Clause, it would render the matter over and decided at the Federal level rather than at a State level. The only caveat - which would be played out at a State level - would be which exemptions (rape, incest, life of mother, etc.) - if any - were allowed. So in that respect, I can see a case for making it a Federal discussion. What I can't see is anything which upholds the Declaration of Independence and still claims an unfettered right to elective abortion.
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  • Posted by Arthgallo 2 weeks ago
    I see no logic in Graham's bill. He knows the senate would never pass and definitely congress will not pass. The SC has already ruled it is a States' issue and not federal. So what exactly is his motive? My guess is, to raise Money. Is that not every politician's number one goal? To raise money?
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  • Posted by Witt84z 1 week, 6 days ago
    Mid term GOP candidates will mostly lose if they support abortion bans in their states. (65% of people favor abortion rights.) By taking it federal the candidates are off the hook and the GOP can win in Nov.
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