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Ask the Gulch: Will the Webb's recent findings hold up under scrutiny?

Posted by $ blarman 1 month, 1 week ago to Science
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The article seems to arrive at a conclusion but I'm interested in what Gulchers have to say. To say the implications are of "astronomical" significance is an understatement (pun intended).
SOURCE URL: https://community99.com/has-the-webb-telescope-disproved-the-big-bang-theory/


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 month ago
    Dang, this comes out just when me dino thought our science godling dude and dudette college graduates knew freaking everything.
    Just like they "I am science" knew everything batty about Covid and how to change climate change that's always changing from changing by ignoring this country's vast natural resources of oil and natural gas that can last hundreds of years.
    Pride goeth before the fall. Oops, that's Bronze Age Biblical. Ignore that. Ain't cool.
    Hey, did you all know that men can have babies?
    And check your priviledge before you dare deny smarter than you doctors to chop off your growing baby's parts to identify with a gender your baby ain't.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 month, 1 week ago
    Well, this Gulcher says: They have gotten most everything wrong, No Dark Matter, No Black Holes, (except those with nothing in them. LMAO) and probably...No Big Bang!..(except the one they may have had a some years ago...sad).

    They rejected the studies of Cycles and now it's returned to Bite Them in the Ass!
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  • Posted by $ splumb 1 month ago
    Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and I was in school, science teachers taught us that theories were just that: theories, and could be disproved at any point in the future.
    You had to keep an open mind.
    There was no such thing as "settled science".
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 month ago
    The Big Bang Theory is called a Theory because it is precisely that a theory. We were lead to believe certain things and as new information comes out we move in different directions. Hopefully we refine our knowledge and become more and more accurate over time.
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    • Posted by $ 1 month ago
      Amen. If all scientists were as willing to go with the data, we'd have even more advancement than we do!
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      • Posted by lrshultis 1 month ago
        The trouble with that is that when instrumentation improves enough to give better data, there is a tendency to believe the previous theory as a religion rather than incorporating the new data into the theory and creating and testing new hypotheses from the corrected theory. Sometimes it is just the different interpretations of a theory that causes troubles, such as with quantum theory, relativity theory, and other theories where current data are accepted mentally differently by different individuals. Theoretically based theories are mathematical with the incorrect belief that it will explain reality and not just describe reality. It is that, reality dictates the correct mathematics and not mathematics dictating the data about reality.
        Big bang theory is based on current evidence while steady state fails in a number of ways, especially in CBR. The fact that guesses from the current theory are found wrong does not bury big bang theory but shows that more better data is needed. Still the evidence shows an expanding universe with a CBR of a few Kelvin and frequency shift of light due to expansion of space.

        Off topic:
        With respect to Atlas Shrugged I have found that some readers, such as my youngest brother, read it as a story about the evil capitalists against the common man like James Taggart who haven't a chance, being that they are victims. That probably is the difference between Republican and Democratic minds.
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        • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 month ago
          Your side comment is 100% IMHO.
          He likely knows he's a looters who exists thanks to the system, not because a parent sacrificed to feed him, and protect him...
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          • Posted by lrshultis 1 month ago
            As with what Rand pointed out about 'sacrifice', it is usually used wrongly. One does not sacrifice to obtain values such as one's children. One does not give a greater value for a lesser value and thus one does not sacrifice his life in raising children, though it is hard sometimes not to think of it as an intrusion on one's life and a sacrifice.
            About fifty years ago it occurred to me that there are those with a mental set who would read AS and get the opposite message from it. That brother is just wrong but my ten month younger the me brother is just evil and actually told me that he didn't ask to be born and thus should be taken care of for life. He found AS to be a book should be avoided by everyone.
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            • Posted by $ 1 month ago
              Many people use the word "sacrifice" incorrectly. More precisely, they use only the first half of the actual definition, which is giving something up in order to get something greater at a future time.

              What we have is a society of instant gratification with no thought for the future. This is true in nearly every aspect of life. Investing means putting that $5/day into a retirement account rather than spending it on an expensive coffee in the morning. Prudence means buying a used car instead of a new one. Being judicious is working hard and putting away a little extra for hard times. Being careful means not indulging one's self in one night stands and risking STD's (monkeypox, cough, cough) but waiting until marriage. The list goes on and on.
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            • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 month ago
              My use of sacrifice was the concept that they gave a LOT up (time, energy, food, money) to raise him.

              Interesting, thanks for sharing about your brothers. I had 3. 2 Were the typical leftists, which convinced me there was a genetic component (they looked more like each other), and the other 2 of us look liked each other, and to this are are far more conservative and much more hard working, value education.
              Jordan Peterson speaks to this and it is refreshing.
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 month, 1 week ago
    No surprise, the ā€¯established astronomersā€¯ spend all their time and efforts to Quash anything that threatens the status Quo. Been seeing it with Ben at Suspicious Observers for years. I have seen it in Geology, in Covid , climate change and now we see it in gender change. Most of the science types hyped by the media are paid shills.
    I mean thinK about the Big Bang theory. Everything was compressed to the size of a grain of sand and then it expanded to billions of galaxies.WTF
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  • Posted by mhubb 1 month, 1 week ago
    lots of questions....
    galaxies are seen billions of light years out, they galaxies moved out there and the light had to move back to us

    the scientists talk about something called "inflation" where "space" itself moved faster than light
    ok, if "space can and carry a galaxy, why can't we do it in a space ship?

    lots of questions...
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 month ago
    Wow...
    Usually when competing theories collide... we start switching to the ones that more accurately PREDICT.

    Of course, modern times, vaccines, and science DO NOT qualify as normal! Lol
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 1 month ago
    Isn't it about time we had a major disruption in the general theory of the day?

    The so-called "Big Bang" never made much sense to me, in the first place...like creation.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 month ago
    New information. Excellent. Who ever thought the theories of today would remain tomorrow?

    When I was a kid, Pluto was a planet.

    It certainly adds no strength to the Earth being created in 6 days, 6,000 years ago or heliocentricism.
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