Considering I just watched Spartacus...the "beating" you received was not brutal.:) (Keep in mind...and we realize we're the "odd" ones...but) when we hear "facebook" we scream inside....it struck a nerve and it spilled over some. Didn't mean to make you a whipping post...we just HATE the idea of Facebook in general.) And you just got line of the day....

I actually requested it. Being a software engineer myself, I understood fully the technical implications and knew it was "safe." It never even occurred to me, or to anyone on the team for that matter, that anyone might object.

And no, there was really no other reason, then "ease." The Gulch gets a significant amount of traffic from facebook in particular. The intention was to make it easy for those users to create accounts and sign in.

At this point, after the brutal beating you've all given me, we're seriously considering killing it.

Who requested this feature? How did it even get brought up? There has to be another reason besides ease. It seems silly. Trying to fix something that isn't broke.

I hear you Shrug. It may not be a worthy answer but, "ease" is actually the only reason we put it in. We had no idea there would be such strong opposition to the idea.

Well....THAT sucks! A voice of reason is galting the gulch. Someone who has the nads to speak his mind unhindered (I for one can appreciate that kind of straight talk).
Seriously Admins, Gulchers etc...what is so friggin' difficult about having to log into the gulch independent from Facebook...is anybody in here THAT lazy?? What IS the benefit? Oh...That's the question of the day.... WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THIS LOGIN PAGE BEING ATTACHED (in any way) TO FACEBOOK?? (and...."ease" is not a worthy answer.)

Thanks for chiming in Rocky.

Thanks O.A. Great points.

I won't be logging in from either Facebook or Twitter.

Hello Mr. Desapio,

I have been monitoring this conversation and frankly I am a bit uncertain what to think about it. I have difficulty seeing all the implications. It seems harmless enough but something doesn’t feel right. I have no problem with advertising the site and drawing new members from wherever you wish, but I feel it is no hardship to go to the site and sign up through it. It is easy to save your password and sign in screen and signing in through the original means. If it is too difficult for someone to do this then are we extending to every troll who wishes to spout off an easier entry when they don’t even have to start a membership, or does the sign in through this means only work for those who have an existing membership? Perhaps these concerns are unwarranted, but we have a group here that is naturally predisposed to caution as they know and have experienced the vitriol of the detractors, and know of the past security problems associated with those particular social media outlets. Many of us do not do facebook or twitter for these reasons as well as not wanting to support entities that often seem adversarial to our principles, or support political adversaries.

I hope itisntluck reconsiders or some accommodation can be reached. We will miss his input.
Regards,
O.A.

Whoa whoa whoa cowboy. No intimidation here. Where did that come form?

Based on our conversations here, we're seriously considering removing the feature altogether. We're really just wanting to understand fully everyone's issues before killing it off. We took your comment VERY seriously.

Of course I can cancel your membership luck but we really wish you wouldn't go. Please reconsider.

Exactly. Why feed the enemy?

Scott, just so I'm clear, are you trying to put words into my mouth? Further, did you really think your “Argument From Intimidation” would work on me? I don’t care what the other members do. I don’t care what you do with your own property. If you want to install a cesspool of liberalism in your main dining room, do it. It’s none of my business. If I don’t like the stench, I can leave. That said; kindly cancel my membership to the Gulch, effective immediately. Have a nice day. : )

mmmmmm more good points to consider...

Can I second this?

Thanks for the response luck. Just so I'm clear as to what you're suggesting, you are considering leaving the Gulch because we permit users to login with their facebook and twitter accounts. Is that right?

Sure. I don't wish to be associated with any of the new social media. I understand that you need to do what you have to do to promote your movies to a wide range of potential customers. This is your house and I thank you for allowing me to enter it. Now I have to consider whether I still want to come over and play. Thanks for asking for my opinion.

I KNOW Atlas has a facebook....that's not my issue. And since I don't have facebook (nor will I ever), I can't make a good argument other than I don't like it and don't want to be a part of it...on purpose or by mistake. I'm not losing any sleep over this I just don't trust them. The end :)

I hate to break it to you Shrug but, the Gulch is already plastered all over facebook. We've got 120,000+ followers and post Gulch content there all the time: https://www.facebook.com/AtlasShruggedMo...

We actually get a significant amount of traffic from facebook daily.

Although I really want to understand, I'm afraid I'm still not entirely sure what your concern is. Rest assured however, you are not obligated to use this option. Nothing will change for you in your experience in the Gulch.

Like I said before..."I really feel like everybody in here has found there way here by sheer gulch mind set gravitation." If it ends up on Facebook (although you say it won't) it will attract the pond scum. Like dk, I do not trust facebook. Perhaps my lack of trust for facebook is the problem.... I don't like the relationship with FB no matter how "unlinked" they are to the Gulch...it appears to be a common sign-in page. Since I do not have facebook and don't understand it inside and out I can't really elaborate any further.... It's a concern I have....I guess that's all it amounts to. (Being open to the public and having it somehow get plastered on facebook via everyone's pages is not the same thing... I know I know ..not going to happen. (??!!...) I have my doubts.)

Right. Your real name will not show up - unless you make it show up.

You just made my day.