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Is There a Way to Prevent Corruption in Leaders?

Posted by deleted 2 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
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I had a silly idea how to prevent corruption. Silly because I'm sure anyone could poke holes in this scheme. Please point out where and why this wouldn't work.

Every public official who wishes to run for public office (and wins) has their identity, SSN, DOB, etc...published worldwide. Their face, their DNA, everything.

Their bank account(s) are published on the world wide web in real time.

They can't touch a dollar or a penny without everyone knowing. They can't ride in a vehicle without the VIN# being published. They can't own a piece of property without the price and address published.

I'm trying to imagine if we could shine a bright light on all the ways that they hide and steal money that ...

This is stupid. It will never work. I give up!!!

Let them eat lead.


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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1 for "...all laws they pass must affect them also..."

    I wholeheartedly agree. I've often wanted to run for public office on that concept as my one and only platform. In essence, to every piece of legislation that ever appeared in Congress I would add an amendment that "Expressly forbids Congress from EVER exempting themselves from any law ever passed."

    Of course, long before being elected, anyone running on that platform would end up buried in an end zone, or thrown into a wood chipper, or found dead on a park bench, or taken for a ride in a convertible owned by the Kennedys.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 2 years, 9 months ago
    Part of a James Madison quote goes "If men were angels, no government would be necessary".

    Men are human, and humans are greedy by design. The only way to eliminate corruption is to eliminate men, and that's not going to happen any time soon.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 2 years, 9 months ago
    Prevent them form becoming leaders...We The People LEAD...they Follow OUR lead...
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  • Posted by 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A ≠ ~A. True! I had to ponder this, having studied symbolic logic a long time ago. I cogitates you is right.

    It looks like the psychopaths are the social climbers who run for office. There is a distinction between Conservatism, and Republican Politicians. Same for the Liberals, and Destructocrat Politicians. Voting just doesn't bridge the gap. We are perpetually voting for corrupt people, no?
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 2 years, 9 months ago
    Who would agree to be a candidate with such an invasion of privacy?
    We get corrupt leaders because the people who elect them are corrupt. They believe in something for nothing and willingly vote for people who are prepared to rob others. So what
    else can be expected?
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  • Posted by bradAnderson 2 years, 9 months ago
    While I understand the motivation to come up with such an extreme idea, there are some fundamental flaws. However, that is the point of this medium and good job putting this out there. Discourse partnered with discussion is the foundation of all progress.

    Coined be Abraham Lincoln, but arguably the root of all visions of America, our government is to be "of... by... and for the people." Subjecting our elected officials to different lifestyles than what the rest of us live will only exacerbate the differences between us and them. Additionally, these conditions would lead only to a need for career politicians and not term limits, a concept which has been brought up numerous times in this chat.

    Greed carries a connotation many don't like in the world. Another term for it, one we should all be more familiar with on this sight, is self-interest. It is the same thing. Two individuals engaging in a transaction with one another are subject to risk. However, if both pursue their personal interests to the fullest of their abilities, especially through regular transactions with one another, then the two will benefit better than under any other system. When one tries to give something unearned, or similarly take something unearned, than there is a discrepancy known as unfairness. The idea that elected leaders are angels on a divine mission with utter disregard for personal interest or desires subconsciously perverts many individual's thoughts. This very ideology is what drives people to regulation and legislation to correct issues rather than to reason. The truth is no human is not human. That is, A does not equal non-A.

    If we can embrace that they pursue personal interests, and ensure a world exists where they live lives as similar as possible to the rest of us, then all the power rests within the voter to vote for the representative with the most aligned interests. That is how corruption is overcome. At the risk of oversimplifying, corruption is merely just a disagreement. In the context we are discussing, corruption is a disagreement between the corrupt and objective value/morality.
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  • Posted by bradAnderson 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you implying one can be born with the sins of their father? This violates Galt's opposition to the idea of Original Sin. I understand where you are going, but be cautious as you venture down this road.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We are all under mass surveillance, it seems improbable to have a 2nd American Revolution. There is a short story called The Revolt of the Pedestrians. There's one possible ending.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    At this point I doubt there is a peaceful solution.
    We are the peaceful American colonists.
    They are the redcoats representing the "empire of lies'" tyrants.
    In their plans, we are just mud on their jackboots.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now a raise is something our caring about the country lawmaking "representatives" will always vote for. Yesiree bob!
    Besides making millions on the side to buy stuff like mansions encircled by walls, a raise is always a wonderful hedge against the rising cost of living. Oh, how they DO deserve that. Um-hum!
    Bitches and bastards everyone. (As a child, me an old dino very early on was taught the polite if not chivalrous concept of "ladies first.")
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  • Posted by 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like term limits. How do we get the Congress to vote themselves out of office? Like dino said.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How do We the People make them follow the Constitution? Voting doesn't seem to work very well. Always the psychopaths run for office.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. Pukelosi introduced a bill a long time ago to give the House a pay raise. Unanimous consent, they voted themselves a raise. All 435 sockcuckers IIRC.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 9 months ago
    Me dino wants to know how to make career politicians (the more corrupt making $millions on the side from quid pro quo "donations" and insider trading) for being the lawmakers who make our laws ever vote to deprive themselves of anything.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 2 years, 9 months ago
    Such leaders also have to telecompute from their home districts so that lobbying is much harder.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 2 years, 9 months ago
    Term limits. I speak as a former elected city official. I definitely approve of term limits. Our Congressional candidates are lured by the high salary and perks. They begin to think DC is their home town. Granted it is a lovely city but that's beside the point. Their attitude is and always will be, "now that I've been elected, my priority is to get myself reelected".
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 9 months ago
    Follow the constitution (and only the first 10 amendments) as written and don't give government power to enslave.
    All the other amendments are hidden agenda actions to enslave.
    No power, no corruption.
    The founders gave us the power. We let the corrupt take it from us.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's good. And family members, friends and children may not occupy office concurrently or for 3 generations.
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    Posted by mhubb 2 years, 9 months ago
    term limits
    all election funds at the end of those term limits are handed to pay down the nation debt they helped create

    all stocks go to a blind trust while in office

    retirement is social security
    all laws they pass effect them also
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