July 4 Is The Anti-Abe Lincoln Holiday
Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 10 months ago to History
Excerpt:
"If you thought the case fatality rate of 1-in-1000 from Covaids was bad, you should have seen what the case fatality rate of having Abraham Lincoln as a President was like.
About 3% of Americans died in the 4-year period from 1861 to 1865.
They weren’t just any Americans who died. It was often the most capable members of society — young and male.
They died because 1.) Washington DC could not play nice, 2.) Washington DC was very arrogant, 3.) Washington DC refused to allow states to dissolve a dissolvable compact.
Sound familiar ?
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Lincoln was holding the central government intact, rather than letting the thing devolve into its appropriate component parts. He was a centralizer, not a decentralizer. He held people captive by force rather than letting them make choices through their state governments. He was more of the spirit of 1787, rather than the spirit of 1776 — a lot more about the controlling and centralizing spirit of the US Constitution than the freeing and decentralizing spirit of the Declaration of Independence, which is commemorated on July 4th. "
"If you thought the case fatality rate of 1-in-1000 from Covaids was bad, you should have seen what the case fatality rate of having Abraham Lincoln as a President was like.
About 3% of Americans died in the 4-year period from 1861 to 1865.
They weren’t just any Americans who died. It was often the most capable members of society — young and male.
They died because 1.) Washington DC could not play nice, 2.) Washington DC was very arrogant, 3.) Washington DC refused to allow states to dissolve a dissolvable compact.
Sound familiar ?
...
Lincoln was holding the central government intact, rather than letting the thing devolve into its appropriate component parts. He was a centralizer, not a decentralizer. He held people captive by force rather than letting them make choices through their state governments. He was more of the spirit of 1787, rather than the spirit of 1776 — a lot more about the controlling and centralizing spirit of the US Constitution than the freeing and decentralizing spirit of the Declaration of Independence, which is commemorated on July 4th. "
had he lived, he might have
but the War Between the States was caused by economic forces
taxes imposed by the North helped drive the South away
most of the wealth of the South was in slaves
so to take all of that away would have bankrupted the South
the South was right in what it did, but for the wrong reasons
the North was wrong, but for the right reasons
and slavery STILL exists in Africa
SLAVERY is back in Libya, thanks to 0bama and hillary
so anyone that complains about US slavery and says nothing about it still existing and that does nothing about it still existing is simply a hater of America
The Uyghurs in China . Human trafficking at our border. Massage parlors. We are in fact enslaved in our own land. Taxation without representation.
Economically slavery was already barely profitable in 1860. Most economic studies say it would have died on its own in a decade or two (as it did in every other "civilization" in the world.)
Regardless, the union had considered the option of buying the slaves freedom and instead Lincoln chose war. It was obvious to any rational being of that era that war was more costly in many ways.
The main reason for the war was Lincoln's urge for federal power providing profits for northern business.
Lincoln was a war criminal and a tyrant.
Fixed a 0 someone gave Dobrien this week also.
Me dino just a little miss goody two-shoes but at least I know to use the boy's restroom.
Everything before that and since then that I read or saw on TV or at the movies about Lincoln was all highly complimentary.
At first when I read what you were posting about Lincoln I was at first all like "Say, what?"
I worked for newspapers for seven years before I decided I'd be better off doing something else.
Nevertheless, learning that Lincoln locked up newspapermen who did not agree with him opened my eyes big time.
Evidently, the First Amendment did not mean all that much to Lincoln.
Neither did such things as that mean much Saddam Hussein.
At least his huge statue got knocked over before he was hanged by his own people.
The most INTERESTING FACT I learned well after school was... Blacks owned 10% of the slaves in the south!!! And they were TYPICALLY the cruelest of masters! That fact changes everything.
Lincoln also said he cared not if a single slave was freed. It was NOT his goal. Protecting against the dissolution of the Centralized Government was his goal.
Of course, he was spurned by bankers, aided by Russia, and when he created GreenBacks... I believe that led to his assassination!
Could the US have purchased all the slaves and set them free? Sure. That plan was floated by one Presidential candidate as part of his official platform: Mormon prophet Joseph Smith. He was murdered in Illinois a few months later while imprisoned on false charges.
"The main reason for the war was Lincoln's urge for federal power providing profits for northern business. Lincoln was a war criminal and a tyrant."
Unsubstantiated character assassination. -1 and more
As I have already pointed out on SEVERAL occasions, the Southern States explicitly cited their support for slavery in their respective secession documents - several of which were filed, voted on, and approved nearly unanimously in their States prior to Lincoln ever taking office. I really don't know what burr you have under your saddle about Lincoln, but the facts of history don't support the misbegotten notions you continue to peddle here. Was Lincoln perfect? No. But he was also facing a Constitutional crisis the likes of which hasn't been seen since the Revolutionary War and will only be matched by a future Civil War. Your accusation also refuses to acknowledge the FACT that the South had threatened secession as early as 1830 as the result of US expansion into Ohio and the Northwest Ordinance. It took the Missouri Compromise to stave off conflict another couple of decades. (It should also be noted that Lincoln never held public office until becoming President; he was defeated in every other contest including Illinois Senate which he lost to Douglas. It was only his debates with Douglas which were carried by the Press to the rest of the Nation which garnered him any kind of national support.)
Further, I am not sure why you rely on faux historians who refuse to acknowledge the documents of those times and rely on modern interpretation instead, but you do everyone here on this board a severe disservice in continuing to push these false narratives. The facts are that most of the Northern States were just as agrarian as their Southern companions in the years leading up to the Civil War. There were several key areas, however, where the North was superior:
1) Immigrants were primarily populating the Northern States because that is where the jobs were. Southern States recognized the imbalance even prior to Andrew Jackson's presidency, which was why the designation of new States as "slave" States or "free" States was such an issue. The Southern States had retained veto power over measures designed to limit slavery. They lost that power in the election of 1856 - four years prior to Lincoln assuming the Presidency. The writing was already on the wall that Congress would outlaw slavery before Lincoln ever appeared on the stage.
2) Transportation. The Northern States encouraged projects such as canals and railroads to speed effective commerce. A simple comparison of rail lines in those times tells volumes about the respective commercial opportunities.
3) Trade. When the South opened hostilities by firing on Fort Sumpter, they had only two working ports along the entire Eastern Coast. What most people don't know is that Wall Street originated with trade in two precious commodities: cotton and information. Almost 100% of the cotton trade was arranged in New York City - not the South. New York was also the prime information hub as the famed "clipper ships" which traversed the Atlantic in as little as a month would dock there.
4) Education. Even the whites in the South were poorly educated with respect to their Northern compatriots. By the time of the Civil War, most Northern States provided grade school educational opportunities to their children funded by State governments. The South avoided public education even for their white populations, resulting in few technological advancements and stultification in society and commerce.
5) Metalworking. While many focus on the events of Fort Sumpter, it was actually the assault on the arsenal at Harper's Ferry which arguably stands as one of the most important points in the War. Without Harper's Ferry, the South would have quickly succumbed to the North because the South had no armories or gunsmiths until this raid. Harper's Ferry continued to supply the South with the majority of its firearms - especially cannons - for the duration of the War.
Sources: The Oxford Press History of the United States. Original source documentation references are in the thousands per volume.
The other point to consider was that it took several years into the Civil War before the North actually had enough forces to go on the offensive in earnest. They also had to deal with the sheer military incompetence of the Union generals, especially McClellan. It wasn't until Lincoln finally fired him that the Union began winning.