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A terrible accident or government orchestration for gun control?

Posted by jack1776 1 year, 9 months ago to Government
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How does an 18-year-old that didn’t attend school or graduate have the funds to purchase two AR-15s, three hundred rounds and a Ford pickup. Why the emphasis on “legally purchased”? If they were illegally purchased, we could say hay wait, the dumb shit gun store owner broke the law.

Why are some many mass gun crimes occurring now? How come not in Trump’s administration?

I hear the widespread call for gun control from the media and Hollywood. Fact checkers are in full force.

Something stinks here…
SOURCE URL: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10853295/Uvalde-school-shooter-Salvador-Ramos-LEGALLY-bought-two-AR-15-rifles-week-18th-birthday.html


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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
    I do often wonder about staging such a thing. It would take little effort, just setting aside ethics, which we have overwhelming evidence totalitarians will do readily.
    Find a nut case. Tell him what to do. Give him money or whatever. Let it happen.

    Do it in TX, where you can sway swing votes.

    Separately the cowardice of the police knows no bounds. In this case, the Parkland case, or (when I was in college) the old guy who went nuts, shot a couple of cops and a few people and then took a bunch of people hostage in a Kmart in Palm Bay, FL. One ~77 yr old guy stood off police from four towns for hours, with an M1! People lay in the parking lot, shot but alive, and police or the EMTs wouldn't go get them! Get a god damn brink's truck and go get them. These same cops will dress down a 22 year old all day and hand out speeding tickets and advice like they are Sgt York.

    NYC, Chicago, LA, et al cops have a tough job. Little town cops? Nope. Some are good. Some a bad. Some a brave. Many are cowards. These are the people the totalitarians want to instill all the power in. I don't think so.
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    • Posted by term2 1 year, 9 months ago
      I am thinking that being observant and having a plan of personal action when something doesnt look right is the way to go.

      Relying on paid mercenaries (police) who are regulated to the hilt and at this point totally afraid of what happens if they damage a black person in any way- just doesnt seem to be very effective.

      Personally, I feel more secure when the current batch of cops are NOT around to give me tickets and harrassment. I try NOT to get into dangerous situations in the first place, or if I see something that looks strange, I am OUT of there. The cops probably arent there to help at the moment anyway.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
        When I was in HS we had a battery problem about 5 miles from home. We were at a 7-11. A cop came through, and we asked if he could give us a jump start (we had cables). "We aren't allowed. There have been too many batteries blowing up." was the response. This is BS, just another lazy public servant not wanting to help. We walked five miles home (no ride either), got another car and did the jump ourselves.

        My brother had a car painted in red primer, getting ready for the paint (we had no $, so this was for a while). He got pulled over 8 times in six months. The last time, he said: "I've been pulled over 7 time in the last six months with no issues any time. Why did YOU pull me over?" The cop replied while looking at his feet "Dirty tail lights" and let him go. It just goes on and on.

        If I worked in a saw mill, I couldn't count one hand's worth of fingers the times I needed a cop.

        There are nice ones. I've spoken to plenty that were police and friendly. I live in a small semi-rural affluent town, and they don't mess with the adults who live here. However, they give out tickets to everyone else like they are going out of style. The town is also VERY firearm friendly, and you will get approved for an LTC (in MA) every time. Reason on the form: "To exercise my Constitutional right", suggested by the officer himself.
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        • Posted by term2 1 year, 9 months ago
          Interesting. I have had occasions where people need a jump start or I need one, and its not hard to get random people to help out. Interesting that the cop wouldnt for fear of battey blowing up, but random people are supposedly ok with that?

          I still think its more likely that I will need to rely on myself than wait around for a mercenary cop to help out.
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      • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
        agreed, me and my wife were just discussing caring our side arms when we leave our house from now on. We live in a constitutional carry state (Idaho). Better to have and not need it then to need it and not have it.
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    • Posted by bobbitchen34 1 year, 9 months ago
      I can't argue much with what you are saying. But the current climate is not one conducive for quality policing. There are a lot of police who had their lives ruined while trying to do their best job. and I have never had to test my courage to the degree that cops experience.
      And, like it says above, how does an 18 year old get 2 AR-15s and 300 rounds LEGALY ? Without getting some notice, even in Tehas.
      Lastly, why can't the Betos and the Schumers etc. let these people grieve and heal themselves without not letting one of their famous crisis go to waste. (? not needed , we know why) WPOS all of them. Public Servant is the biggest misnomer ever.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
        18 yr old with no record can buy whatever they want. Why not an AR15? Alternative is to make 21 the age of adulthood. FL has their 21 yr old AR limit/law struck down as unconstitutional.
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        • Posted by bobbitchen34 1 year, 9 months ago
          I read the article too fast. It was his grandfather with the felony record.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
            Gotcha. I do that a lot. Really hate posted videos! I do not want to waste my time listening to the drivel. Just get the the point!
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            • Posted by bobbitchen34 1 year, 9 months ago
              I hate to give anyone ideas but if they want to get rid of guns just add safety features. Case in point; gas cans are now pretty much unusable, (without a little modification of course).
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              • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 9 months ago
                Hah yeah, the bureaucratically designed gas spouts have me spilling more gasoline than ever before. They are a definite hazard!
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                • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
                  It is completely stupid, these vapor recovery nozzles. What a scam. The three drops on the ground are two orders of magnitude more mass (and become vapor) than the vapors. So stupid. I bet some company had a patent, and got a regulation to cash in. This is why government power MUST be limited!
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                  • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 9 months ago
                    Three drops? I wish. I've had the stupid things slide off the mower/generator/washer tank and soak the whole thing including my hands and shoes. Smoking off the hot engine! Stream down the side of my car trying to get gas in the tank. I have two gas cans with slightly different mechanisms and they both suck. The spring loaded thing gets stuck or the shut off seal doesn't seal unless you physically grab and force it to close. Gasoline everywhere! Make sure you don't refill on the lawn or you'll get a lot of dead grass. Not to mention the amount of muscle and patience you need to hold on to the damn thing while it SLOWLY gurgles out the gas.
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                    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
                      Happy I have all old ones! Do not look forward to the new-ies. Maybe buy some old Jerry Cans, and skip the "technology"?
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                      • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 9 months ago
                        Hang on to those old ones, Thor! I saw an ad for buying the old style nozzles including the little yellow air vent, but I'm not sure if it was a scam.
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                        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
                          Maybe like preban AR lowers or magazines!
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                          • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 9 months ago
                            I wish I had an AR, but never had the bucks to spend on one. Hind sight being 20/20 they were a lot less expensive in my younger days. I know I shouldn't be exposing my guns on a public forum, but years ago I picked up a SKS with a scope on the cheap and a bunch of 7.62X39. When my son moved to Az he left behind a 12 gauge. I haven't used either in a couple of decades. The last time I fired the SKS was at a local range. The first thing they did was make me take off the scope and the range procedures were so stringent I only got off three rounds in 45 minutes. I left disgusted, took it home, cleaned it, packed it into the closet and never bothered with it again. If I take it out I'd have to go over the manual and start all over with it. I don't even remember how to take it apart. I imagine the 2K rounds I have probably aren't much good anymore although they've been packed in a sealed safe. Who knows? I also have a Jager AP74 I picked up cheap many many years ago. It's a 22LR semi-auto rifle that had a tendency to jam so I got tired of fooling with it. It also sits in a closet along side the SKS.

                            The only other rifle I still have is a replica 1861 Richmond, which is essentially a Confederate version of a .58 caliber Springfield. I did fire it live a few times at a friends farm and it's a hoot! Definitely got off more than three rounds in 45 minutes.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 9 months ago
          Time to celebrate Memorial Day.
          Buy an AR-15 with 2 upper receivers (5.56 and .300)
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
            Nay. 5.56x45 and 7.62x39! 300 is a dangerous round. Will load and fire in a 5.56x45 upper, and destroy it, sometimes with significant personnel hazard. 300 blackout will never enter my house. It should never have been made, unless the case shoulder was high enough a 5.56 bolt would not go into battery on one!

            However, buy lots of AR lowers! After rebuilding an AK, I have to say that is a great firearm too. The biggest fault it has is the lack of mounting for an optic. However, there is a mod that replaces the recoil piston cylinder that has a Picatinny rail! They are ultra reliable, simple and cheap. Everything about them is "American" except the origin, just like American cars, with lug studs, not idiotic lug bolts!
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            • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 9 months ago
              In case you haven't seen it, this is an interesting site
              http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/in...
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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
                Spend lots of time there! They stopped maintaining it, which is a travesty. I’ve spoken to the originators a couple times. Great thing. My brother and I have thought about offering to take it over.
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                • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 9 months ago
                  This one is interesting, too, for hunting purposes.
                  https://backfire.tv/recoil/
                  Unfortunately they don't look at shorter range which is more pertinent in SHTF situation, imo.
                  The blackout appears to be most controllable (low recoil) and effective for whitetail size game at 50 to 150 yards.
                  (Hypothetically, if someone already has an AK though, that's covered. ;^)
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                  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
                    That is another great site. Thanks! These values are calculable of course, but who wants to look up and compile all the data, and rifle weights do vary. Testing is not required.

                    I'm not recoil sensitive, and a 223-ish round is essentially a one-hander. 7.62 or 300 Blackout would be in the same range. I only have 12 gauge shotguns for the same reason.

                    Looking for a 300 win mag rifle now for elk. I have 308 and 45-70, but no longer range calibers. Spent an age looking at cartridges. Largely ignored recoil in the metrics. 300 win mag carries great power a long way, is accurate and pretty common. Really want the new Savage Impulse Big Game, but it is as scarce as elk in MA. I love the idea of a working man's straight pull bolt action over snotty European versions for $5K. The Blaser R8 is very cool, but stupid expensive. You can change the barrel and caliber easily, but one can buy a different rifle and glass for each caliber for the price!

                    Looking is almost as fun as buying...
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            • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 9 months ago
              I conclude that you avoid motor vehicles, crosswalks, swimming pools, and cooking stoves as well. ;^)
              The most dangerous action that people are expected to operate without proper training (in rational thinking) is voting.
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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 9 months ago
                Swimming pools speak danger continuously. I have thought often of special gloves for stoves.

                One could expect no less a clear and cutting reply, FFL! One of many reasons everyone here respects you!
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 1 year, 9 months ago
    None of these stories, after the dust settles and some truth comes out, ever make sense. How does a kid like this afford that kind of equipment? I'm pinching pennies now for my next hunting rifle. This kid was barely 18! Of course, there were no parents, only grandparents. He dropped out of school and had all kinds of odd behavior. All of these kinds of stories seem to add credence to the strange conspiracy theory that these are orchestratedsome kind of Sirhan Sirhan Jr. kind of thing...Anymore I'm starting to think anything's possible. Would government interests plot something like this out? I honestly am starting to question....crazy as that sounds.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 year, 9 months ago
      Have to agree with you, I heard some rumblings about a raid of a muslim terrorists encampment in that area that taught how to kill little kids in schools...can't verify any of it, BUT I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF IT WERE TRUE!
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      • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
        Add to what you just said and square it up with the fact that school shooting like this is becoming a norm. Our 2nd amendment right keeps the government in line, without it, they are free to rule as they wish. They have to remove the guns; I’m saying this is our government grooming troubled children. There, I said it…. Not that anyone has any proof, but this all seems very contrived.
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        • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
          I don’t trust anything anymore; everything is suspect, and everything is control. We are living through very different times. Now let me get back to the push pins and yarn to stich more of this together.
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      • Posted by bobbitchen34 1 year, 9 months ago
        OLC, this is frightening but it does sound plausible. Does the rise of these shootings correspond to the disaster that is the southern border ? Yes.
        The youth are depressed and disassociated mostly due to covid. Easier marks for terrorists.
        It's a viscous circle as many here have pointed out.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 1 year, 9 months ago
      My best guess is that the kid probably used a credit card.
      But I don't know about that pickup. The last time me dino bought a car, I tried to do it with a debit card after showing a dealer that same day's
      ATM slip (whatever you call it) showing I had transferred enough money out of a savings account into a checking account.
      Dealer wanted a check. I didn't bring my checkbook but remembered I always keep a blank check in my wallet in case of an emergency.
      He accepted the check and I left with a fully paid-for year-old used car.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 year, 9 months ago
    A number of questionable facts coming out about the whole wretched show: the kid crashed his truck in a ditch, then first went on a shooting spree at a funeral, hitting nobody. Did anyone call 911 when that happened?

    The shooter walked around outside the school and was spotted by a number of people. Did anyone call 911? He entered the school through an unlocked door. Why was that door left unlocked, and why didn't those who first spotted him outside check to see that the building was secure?

    While armored, well equipped police and US marshals cowered outside, an off duty Border Patrol officer took action, entering the school and killed the shooter with a shotgun he had borrowed from the barber, where he was when his wife called to tell him what was happening.

    You're right. This smells fishy.
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    • Posted by term2 1 year, 9 months ago
      The off duty border patrol part of this needs to be brought to light more. The way the media is telling it, the shooter was killed by some sort of elite border patrol officers that came there half an hour later. I dont think we are getting the straight scoop.
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    • Posted by bobbitchen34 1 year, 9 months ago
      The way you lay that out it sure does! Especially the border patrol agent being the only one with the cajones to deal with it. Was he not written in? Or maybe he'd had enough of this kind of stuff going down in southern Tehas.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 1 year, 9 months ago
    Thank you! I was about to post a very similar comment/question. The Democrats are practically orgasmic over the school deaths. They're giddy with what they think they can accomplish now WRT the next election.

    And. I am convinced that between now and November, there will be more.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 9 months ago
      "The Democrats are practically orgasmic over the school deaths. They're giddy with what they think they can accomplish now WRT the next election." I agree as I'm getting the same impression from the entire Neo Communist (Democrat) machine and membership. Their feigning concern over all of this is nothing more than not letting a crisis go to waste to further their agenda.
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    • Posted by bobbitchen34 1 year, 9 months ago
      Listening to Michael Berry out of Houston this morning I was reminded that the people that live in these small towns are the irredeemable that the dems hate. This is not a tragedy but rather an opportunity for anti-gun legislation.
      Anyway there are probably a lot of those "fast and furious" cache of weapons that the Mexican cartels can sell back to anyone with the dinero.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 1 year, 9 months ago
    I don’t even own a “complete” AR-15. They’re not cheap and in this environment not exactly in stock items unless you’re willing to pay through the nose. I’ve got better things to spend the money on right now. Like FOOD!

    And I have NO DOUBT he was “encouraged” by some letter people.
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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 1 year, 9 months ago
    The timeline was just released. Not only did the cops stand down for 45 minutes while little kids were being slaughtered, they tazered and hand cuffed the parents who were trying to get in the fire-zone and stop the madness.
    You got three doors to chose from Monty: 1:Cowardice, 2:Incompetence 3:Willing Participant (PSYOP)
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    • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
      The cowards prohibited the parents from entering – typically not a cowardness thing to do. Incompetent people are typically more then willing to let another do what they cannot. I think we should review the bank accounts of everyone involved; large unexplained deposit would equal to accessory to murder.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 9 months ago
    Previously, when Trump was president- there was hope for the future.

    I have to say that biden's policies have led to a lot of additional stress added to life. When people are stressed, some of them snap or change their behavior in irrational ways.

    An 18 year old who somehow cant see a path to a good life for himself can find a way to get the funds to buy guns and steal (borrow) a car, and take advantage of lax security at a school or somewhere else. Not that hard really.

    Remember that the second amendment is there to protect us from OUR GOVERNMENT when it goes bad, or another government attempting to keep control of the USA after they take it over.

    What did we do for the Ukrainians ? We gave them GUNS which are helping them keep the russians from taking over their country.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
      agreed, other than the gun, according to the fake news, he purchased, and only turned 18 last week.

      Why didn't he just steal (borrow)... Because if he did, then they couldn't push gun control. I just found it odd that every article I read said "legally purchased"
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      • Posted by term2 1 year, 9 months ago
        In todays world, and in particularly relating to leftists, one must take everything said and put it through a translator to determine what its supposed to convince you to do. What they say seems to never be just plain truth and fact
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  • Posted by hm3buzz 1 year, 9 months ago
    Or, much like during the Obama administration, is it a distraction from something major they're planning to unleash on the American public?
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  • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
    The fact checks are all over the internet refuting the shooter was a transgender. Fact checkers are from the ministry of disinformation, right? We can trust that… Maybe he was or was not but why the full force of tech in effect on this?
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    • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 9 months ago
      Gender is of no consequence.
      The perp murdered many innocent children and he chose the victims and the location because he would not face resistance from unarmed people.
      The tools he used are not guilty.
      If anyone other than the perp is to be blamed, it should be the lawmakers who made certain that the victims would be defenseless.
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      • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
        No disrespect freedomfor all, but I’m saying others must be involved. Things just don’t make sense. Why did this kid wait until one week after his 18th birthday. He surely could source a weapon before that, the government must make sure the gun was purchased legally. Therefore, every news story I read said “leally purchased”.

        How did a high school dropout that worked at Wendy’s gain enough cash/credit to purchase two top of the line assault weapons and a Ford pickup, all without family knowing about the weapons.

        The government has been in the business of manipulation for some time, they need to rid us of our self-defense.
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  • Posted by skidance 1 year, 9 months ago
    While I can't dismiss the idea that the murder had outside support, I do have a hypothesis that might partially explain his state of mind. I read that he was "supposed" to graduate with his class this year, which implies that he didn't meet graduation criteria after all. While there are many reasons for academic failure, one is inadequate instruction in elementary school. He may also have been jealous of his high school classmates. Perhaps these factors helped fuel his rage.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
      I think everyone supposes this kid was troubled in multiple ways… All I’m saying is that we are witnessing the full force of the media, tech and government shaping this narrative, “guns bad”.

      If we used the same logic:
      - We would have to stop driving because cars kill people
      - Stop selling rope because rope strangles
      - Disallowed cliff climbing because sudden stops are bad
      - We would have to disallow the unvaccinated from public places, so the good people don’t get sick.
      - Force a vaccinee for employment because the unvaccinated kill

      This is just fodder for the anti-gun idiots, funny part is when the engineered food crise truly began, they will want me and my gun to protect their food, lives and family.
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