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  • Posted by $ blarman 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Abortion is for convenience in 99% of cases. Abortion advocates love to bring up rape and incest - the extreme exception - to justify abortion while ignoring the inconvenient reality. They also like to ignore the fact that even states which would outlaw abortion outlaw it for convenience reasons and make exceptions for medical need, rape, and incest.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not unless a State passes specific laws designating as such. One of the biggest misunderstandings is that overturning Roe V Wade makes abortions illegal. That is not the case at all. Overturning it simply 1) voids the precedent which determined that there was a "right" involved (how one construes a right to privacy to override a right to life avoids me completely) and 2) dismisses Federal jurisdiction over the matter. All it does is place the issue back where it should have been from the beginning: at the State level.

    There are some States which already have so-called "trigger" laws on the books. Some say that if Roe is overturned that the State automatically legalizes abortion. Some go the other way. In either case, it is bound to trigger a robust review at the State level which is where this should have been all along. And though Alito specifically mentions in the draft that this ruling is specific to abortion, I'd love to see it applied to Obergfell vs Hodges as well. The Federal Government has no authority to meddle in marriage any more than it does in abortion.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't have to cut off my leg to know that it hurts.

    However, I am philosophically ok with your suggestion, if we leave this discussion all to women, and all men are silent.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes! That is all the work. The rest is a subversive means of applying one's religion on another.

    This is just like the left trying to undermine the 2nd Amendment without actually changing it.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "... fertilized zygote is a human being, which is 100% religion" Not really. A secular argument can be made to state the gestation period is a normal and natural part of the life cycle of a human being. Stating that it isn't human during this period is arbitrary. No religion necessary.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If using these pills in the case of rape is acceptable, there is no appropriate reason why they aren't acceptable all the time.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey, a vas deferens magnetic valve!

    Perhaps the left will set up government funding for that. Then those guys and their ladies don't have to worry.

    But, that will piss off the refried Christians and Catholics who actually seek to eliminate sex, since they suck at it or never get any. No consequences! Like Splenda!
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  • Posted by $ blarman 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Uh, just a note but shouldn't you let a woman do the talking about what constitutes an "inconvenience" in this case? I mean, I can complain about the air conditioning being cranked up, the extra pillows on the bed, etc., but I'm not the one throwing up....

    Let's also not forget that every single one of us here is the result of a pregnancy. Personally, I'm pretty grateful to my mom. (I even had her over for dinner on Sunday.)

    Pregnancy is a natural result of sex. If you don't want to risk getting pregnant, don't have sex. It's very simple. Or at a bare minimum use one of the variety of contraceptive options.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Tax revenue (our money) is used to fund Planned Parenthood.
    Some of that money Planned Parenthood kicks back in the form of donations to Democrat candidates ONLY.
    Nice system, huh? Don't like it? Shut up, you racist!
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  • Posted by CMBurton 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Examples of people in power who think birth control pills cause abortions: SCOTUS Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene definitely thinks that morning after pills cause abortions and should be outlawed.

    The "Tea Party" tied to keep ObamaCare from covering IUDs because they cause abortions.

    Kentucky already passed legislation that put a halt to all abortions a couple of weeks ago by requiring abortion clinics use specific forms which don't exist.

    Louisiana is already working on criminalizing abortion and classifying it as homicide.

    Wisconsin and Michigan's most recent state laws regarding abortion are from the 19th Century and make it illegal. They won't have to do anything but sit there when this opinion comes out.

    These are facts, not my opinion.
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  • Posted by CMBurton 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly! Personally, I think until men have to bear the child, they should stay out of the discussion. Or, perhaps we should start talking about forced vasectomies. That would 100% prevent all abortions. And it's reversible!
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is your opinion, not fact. If you have evidence supporting that opinion, please share it.
    The supreme court has not yet given any opinion that changes the opinion in Roe.
    The federal government had no authority to override state law in Roe.
    If the SCOTUS does reverse Roe, it is a very good thing because it reduces the reach
    of the federal government in an area that according to the constitution belongs with the
    states and the people.
    If you are afraid that your state will limit your options to such a degree, then stop
    wasting time here and start lobbying your state government. Join forces with Big Pfharma
    who has a vested interest in making big profits from the morning after pill.
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  • Posted by CMBurton 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Great. Then I assume you use a condom every time? And again, women who are raped have no control over that situation, so I'm not sure how you envision them taking "responsibility" for that since they are not the one taking the action.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 3 years, 2 months ago
    The underlying problem is that all available methods of birth control, except the condom, are for use by women only. There is no "male pill."

    Therefore, plenty of men have casual sex after taking the woman's word that she is using one of the others, but she lied (or they even responsibly use a condom, and the woman then fishes it out of the trash...) as a means for her to be awarded child support for a child that he never really consented to produce. And the law is so broken it lets her win.
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  • Posted by CMBurton 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Imagine the outcry if the government tried to regulate ANY kind of medical procedure involving male sex organ.
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  • Posted by CMBurton 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It would be kind of stupid to try to get an abortion before you know that you're pregnant, don't you think?
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 2 months ago
    Okay, let's be honest.
    This LEAK of something that could have been done BEFORE the addition of another libtard (MAYBE)... But will almost CERTAINLY not pass....

    Is just CIRCUS... Imagine the TIMING here. Just months before a CRUSHING defeat of dems in office. They have NOTHING to run on (outside of Higher Gas Prices, More Shortages, War Mongering, and the Ukraine Fiasco).

    Honestly... EVERY poll has them getting CRUSHED in November. They needed something to motivate their base.
    They've already let criminals out on no bail... But then innocents are being MURDERED because of it, and even the media has a tough time (but they still try) to gloss over it.

    This feels like a total political maneuver. And I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO LEARN that the "Conservative" Judge, who ruled for Obama Care to stand, in violation of 80 yrs of contract law...

    Was PAID to leak it. I doubt it was EVEN True!
    I don't care about it.

    Why are we SO STUPID? This would be fine to talk about... Say DECEMBER of 2022... But it leaks with enough time to get people on the record before elections, and change the narrative.

    Call me a Conspiracy Theorist... I don't care.
    This stinks of 5 day old fish in a Florida Garage!
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    Posted by CMBurton 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    State law should recognize that, but this Supreme Court decision doesn't and many states won't. No legal abortion is going to mean exactly that. No abortions of any kind, including pills, probably IUDs, and in same states (where legislators think birth control pills cause abortions) no birth control pills.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The outcry against abortion is almost entirely based upon the procedures happening after the fetus is proven to exist.
    Morning after pills would be taken immediately after the sexual activity, or they would not be effective, so it is very likely that they would not be outlawed.
    I think that given the lobbying power that the Pfharma industry has, it is likely that the very profitable morning after pill would be
    approved by every state lawmaker (having received a large campaign donation from Pfharma.)
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