Is Putin evil?

Posted by Lucky 3 years ago to Ask the Gulch
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I have been asked this question by a correspondent (of a different opinion set).
An answer is not easy at least for me to justify to another person as we disagree even on what are the facts that relate.

If a person is evil, is it from their actions and effects, or by intentions?

Your opinion? I prefer an answer from an Objectivist standpoint rather than a religious one.

What well known names in the media today would qualify for a loud and clear- Yes?


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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 3 years ago
    The list would be a lot shorter if you had asked what well-known names in the media aren't evil.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I dont feel I stick up for all the actions that the USA has taken- like invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the countless other invasions over the year that the US government has done because it wanted to have a "united states" from coast to coast. The indians in the USA got the shaft definitely. That said, not everyone here approved of what the government here did, and I was one of those.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I dont feel I stick up for all the actions that the USA has taken- like invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the countless other invasions over the year that the US government has done because it wanted to have a "united states" from coast to coast. The indians in the USA got the shaft definitely. That said, not everyone here approved of what the government here did, and I was one of those.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    that is pretty sleezy. I mean, a 2 year old. Why did she have the kid in the first place. There are some people who deserve what they get in later life from their kids whom they mistreated. Maybe karma will get her.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    If it werent for Zelinsky, Ukraine was just be stolen and persecuted by Putin for Putin's own ego. It would be another soviet russia state, which isnt good at all. No wonder so many people tried to escape soviet russia. It was a hell hole
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  • Posted by term2 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    There certainly is a LOT of evil out there, and I think that all of us have done "evil" things at one time or another. There is a line on which a person would stand- good on one end and evil on the other. Where you stand is determined by how much you lean towards to the good end relative to the evil end.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    "good" is basically respecting human rights, pretty much as AR laid out. "evil" is ignoring human rights completetly and just doing whatever you want regardless of what it does to others.

    I am not a believer in a spirit in the sky or living past death. All there is is what we see and experience while alive, IMHO.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years ago
    When allowed to, Putin thinks only of his own power, and seemingly will do anything to preserve it. He kills, maims, and in Ukraine is willing to kill any and all people he doesnt even know just so he can look good as a powerful leader, and steal whatever riches there are in ukraine- even if there are no people left there that he can lord over.

    I would call the bastard definitely EVIL, and pretty much on the same level as Hitler. There is a scale of evil-ness, and I think all of us fall somewhere on the scale. Putin is way towards the totally evil end. I woudl say that Xi is pretty much towards that end also, as if Rocket Man in N Korea.

    Some one should develop an EVIL scale, and rate people on it so its easier to see where people are at.
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  • Posted by bsudell 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. That is why the "elites" want regime change in Russia. Let's see if Putin is smart enough to beat them at their own game, like he did with the planned Color Revolution in Russia.
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  • Posted by bsudell 3 years ago
    I agree with mhubb that Putin is a Patriot, even though he has stolen billions from his people; still he likes Russia and Russians. Our politicians feel that we are dumb, useless idiots, even though we have made them rich. Hopefully, their hatred for us will be their unravelling.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 3 years ago
    No evil is the girl my grandson married. Who in the hell slaps a 2 year old in the face. They are keeping me away from her because I promised to slap her to sleep when I get the opportunity.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years ago
    A Father spanks his child... Is he evil?

    We cannot know the facts.
    We cannot know the minds of others, except for what they say.

    Let's ask a simpler question...

    Is George Soros Evil? (Hell Yes).

    he has a STATED goal of destroying the United States and controlling the world. And his actions are in alignment with those "evil" goals.

    Evil to whom? if he is Evil to the Globalists... And I think he is... I am all for it!
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  • Posted by Stormi 3 years ago
    I do not think him evil, he is a communist, and he is what I expect from that those of that ilk.
    Evil is sneaky, evil is when you pretend to be so kind and helpful, and then stab people in the back.
    Bidden is evil, Hunter is a parasitic opportunist, close to evil.
    The question is, if one preteands to be doing theings for the climate and for he people, but is self serving and knows he is killing people by designg, that is evil. If one says, I am coming for you, evacuated, and you put children at the front to be slaughtered, is not Zeeliinskyy bordering on evil more than Putin We all know Soros is pure evil, he uses his money to buy more evil.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years ago
    To understand what Putin is trying to accomplish, this Caspian Report video gives a good explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkrLU...

    Perspective involves historic paranoia among the Russian people, who've been overrun numerous times. Putin believes he is seeking to save his people from a future calamity and the collapse of the Russian heartland. We can, from our subjective view, declare his actions as "evil," from the many lives lost in pursuit of his goals, but objectively we can understand his thinking, and why it's a risk he's willing to take to save his people.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 3 years ago
    The problem with defining good and evil is that it necessarily depends upon a viewpoint which many will call religious: that is that it depends on more than just this life. If you take the nihilistic view, there is no such thing as either good or evil: everything exists for the moment because there is nothing beyond that of any lasting import.

    So in taking on the challenge of "good vs evil" one must necessarily presuppose a certain inviolability of the soul, ie that our being does not dissolve into nothingness upon death. As such, ongoing existence is presupposed. The question then becomes, what kind of existence is there beyond death? What kind of sociality exists and on what conditions is such defined? The only logical conclusion is that it will be defined in large measure by the type of person we become in this life: the pursuits of this life will similarly become the pursuits of the next. To think that simply shedding these mortal shells of ours will suddenly change our very natures and personalities is to attribute those natures and personalities to our bodies rather than to our minds. And what would be left of such minds? Nothing.

    Therefore, the only course left is to assume that the next stage of existence is very likely to be shaped by our actions in this one. And in one form or another, it is the description of this speculation regarding the next plane(s) of existence where science simply has no information and only religion provides even speculation. Here you have everything from reincarnation (Hindu) to some sort of judgement (Ancient Egypt, Judeo-Christianity, Islam, and many others.) What is interesting, however, is that many of these systems gravitate toward declaring many of the same behaviors positive and others negative. What seems to vary greatly is the level of individual power/autonomy in these various systems. Viking lore placed emphasis on martial skill in the eternal battles there. Islam places everyone as subservient to Allah and the most faithful as being those afforded what others call "carnal pleasures." Some Christian religions teach of a vast judgment comprised of "damnation" for the sinner and "salvation" for the righteous based on nothing more than a professed statement of belief.

    I believe that life on this earth is not so different than life on the next. I believe that we have the choice here to build within ourselves the capacity for self-governance and the acquisition of knowledge. Once one learns through training and experience how to harness one's own innate abilities, one will find the ability to then go on to affect the universe. Because of the difficulty of this road, however, there will be few which don't instead turn off onto the various exits to pursue those things that they pursued in this life, thus limiting themselves indefinitely.

    Now, you asked if Putin was evil. The answer there depends on what one calls "good." In simplistic terms, that which is "good" is that which advances us toward some paragon or epitome of virtue. Some ideal. That may be slightly different depending on whom you talk to, but as one prominent philosopher taught, much revolves around treating others the way you want to be treated. Thus kindness, forgiveness, tolerance, hard work, honesty, integrity, and others are all considered positive virtues. Thus one so infused with these values will tend to be a "good" person - or at least a person headed in a positive direction - vs someone who is not. I will make one clarification, however, and that is that many think that "evil" is the opposite of good. I do not hold this to be the case. Darkness is merely the absence of light - not an opposing force such as anti-matter. Such with evil: it is an absence of good or a tendency away from that which is good. There is no question that Putin has committed acts against others which violated "good" principles such as those previously mentioned. The acts were evil: they violated the virtuous ideals. So therefore the question then becomes: do the acts make the man? I think it is safe to say, yes, since what a man (or woman) does becomes the way they will continue to act. The only "saving grace" would be if a man stops doing infernal things and begins doing virtuous things.

    Of course the other question is if there is a way to make up for one's previous infernal actions. That is specifically a religious subject and delves into the notion of a redeeming figure such as a Jesus Christ, etc. Whether or not such exists is beyond the scope of this topic.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Me dino saw a positive 3 points. I just popped buffalolips another one after reading what was written.
    Anyone who doesn't like it can cancel me.
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  • Posted by MannyG 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You're too kind, sir. The three enemies of our civilization that you mentioned are evil personified. As Ayn once remarked, those who seek Power are worse than those who seek wealth.
    The Army of Second-Raters in charge is growing!!
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 years ago
    Putin:
    1. is working to maintain economic relevance for his oligarchy
    2. cares nothing about the nation of Russia, except its service to his oligarchy.
    3. has oppressed his own people
    4. has attacked another country and killed thousands for his own gain.
    5. is disconnected from reality now, thinking Russians would celebrate in the streets for the attack, and sitting at one end of a 40' table.

    However, the US et al set him up to fail by placing a puppet government in the Ukraine, and doing who knows what there. Now he is responding like a challenged animal.

    Putin is evil, because oppressing a people for one's own gain is evil, and further attacking another people for one's personal gain is also evil. He could have just as easily followed Gorbachev and moved Russia west, but then he would have just had wealth, not massive power.

    We are also evil.

    Forcing people is evil. It is a part of Ayn's very definition of evil.
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  • Posted by MannyG 3 years ago
    ANY member of the old KGB is pure evil. Just because he's the head oligarch now means nothing.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree entirely. Putin is not working for the good of Russia. Putin is working for the greater good of Russian oligarchs. This is precisely why we don't want that much power in government, and precisely what Ayn railed against.
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  • Posted by starguy 3 years ago
    Vlad: love or hate him, he is NOT one of Klaus Schwab's puppets.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 3 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said!
    Putin doesn’t 100% buy into the World Economic Forum garbage. Past comments I’ve seen him say leads me to that conclusion. But, the Schwabbian policy is clear. If you do not comply...you will be destroyed.
    It’s like watching a Bear and a Eagle fight over roadkill. And WE are the road kill. Does it really matter which one wins? That’s the only question.
    To me the answer is simple...get off the road.
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