U. S. Senate unanimously condemns Putin

Posted by craigerb 3 years, 1 month ago to Politics
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Finally, something good from politicians.


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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    watch what they do, not what they say. This is the age of manipulation. I see Putin invading and taking over a country in spite of the people who live there NOT wanting to be russian. I say thats wrong and its just part of Putin's grand scheme to rule Europe. Just like Hitler
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Putin is a thug bully. He moves when the opposition is weak. He would rather NATO not be there, so he can move wherever he wants. He has said on numerous occasions, both in written form and in speeches, that he wants Russia returned to its Soviet borders, and I take him at his word. Same argument China uses with Taiwan. No dictator WANTS war- they would rather just have everyone else let them do what they want without war.

    Putin didnt move when Trump was president, because he knew there would be substantial blowback militarily, and threats of nuclear war would be met with "bring it on- remember that Russia will be destroyed too and you will be out of power". Biden just tiptoes backwards when Putin threatens. We might as well just save our money and let Russia take over europe now that we have biden.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    That's BS that Putin said that!

    This is US Propaganda that Putin wants to UNITE the old USSR. It's not even remotely true.

    Term2, show me the video with Putin Saying that is his plan or it didn't happen.

    And, FWIW, I missed that Putin First came to power in 2000. So, JUST LIKE HITLER. He waits 22 years?

    This is my point. I am thinking you are listening to MSM at this point. Putin had plenty of time to bring the former USSR (which ALL Border with him) under his control. 20 years he SHOULD have spent building an Army that was beyond belief... But nope... And now he "struggles" against Ukraine?

    And to think he wants War... LOL, he has been BEGGING NATO to back off. Stop putting weapons close to his borders. For the ENTIRE TERM of his Presidency.

    He and Trump got along because they are both against the Globalists. They got rid of Trump, and they will do what they can to get rid of Putin.

    That you CANNOT see that is incredible.
    Even Biden is ON RECORD saying that NATO isn't really needed, it's now used as a thorn in the side of Russia.

    Here is a link of what PASSES on Ukrainian TV these days. This is a doctor saying Russian Military will be caught and Castrated. (Clearly a violation of the Geneva Conventions). Clearly NOT frowned upon by our media...

    https://twitter.com/shoutpolitics/sta...
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    From what I remember, hitler invaded Denmark and Norway and chezhoslovakia (so) f and Poland in 1939. 1940 saw additional invasions in France , attempts at Britain and then
    Soviet Union in 1941. Putin has promised to continue his invasions at least until he controls all the territories of the former Soviet Union. That pretty much means all of Europe. With the constant threat of nuclear war, he just might destroy the earth
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  • Posted by fairbro 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It's just a coincidence that 4 leading American politicians all have sons or daughters employed by Ukrainian oil companies!
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  • Posted by fairbro 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The USA Good Wolf died of starvation decades ago, the USSA evil wolf has eaten the seed corn and is getting desperate for more food...
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  • Posted by fairbro 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no "government" as one may think of the usual definition of the word, on the Ukrainian side of the Donbass. I discovered that, if I wanted to start a business in a Ukrainian city, I would have to make regalar payoffs to everyone from local security to the mayor's son.

    The Azov battalion (on the other side of the Donbass divide) is supposedly part of the Ukrainian army, but they are street thugs semi-organized by an oligarch, to protect his financial interests. Azov is the crew firing missiles into civilian areas of Lugansk and Donetsk. AZOV has been creating a hellscape in Donbass for the past 8 years, with crickets from the Western media

    AZOV (or US Intelligence) is likely the ones who shot down MH17, thinking they could get Putin. His plane was flying over the same area, at the same time, and had the same colors, while US satellite data and Kiev Air Traffic Control files for that day are "missing."

    I agree, there are a lot of wrongnesses here. The biggest wrong is the lying sacks of shi% media.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Putin thought the Ukrainian people would welcome him and he would get a lot of booty and 44 million loyal subjects. He was wrong about that. So now he realizes the people won’t be loyal subjects at all and he doesn’t know what to do
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    We will just have to disagree. I think putin is an evil statist bastard and to the extent he is supported by the Russian people, the country is evil too. I really don’t have an opinion about Ukraine, but putin is attacking Ukraine, not the other way sround
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Term2, forgive my ignorance.
    How many years was Hitler in power before he launched his first Attack, and what did his progression from that point, forward look like?

    Now, lets do the same Roadmap for Putin. Is Crimea his first attack... If so, he is WAY behind the "Hitler" comparison. (A comparison used against Trump, FWIW)...

    Now, if you consider Ukraine the Equivalent of the first Battles of Hitler.
    And you consider the IMMEDIATE backlash (keeping in mind that RBS was SELLING HITLER the additive that prevented their airplane fuel from FREEZING at altitude.... Through the very end of the war).

    That Ford, continued to make Tanks (and even sued our government for blowing up the Nazi Tank Factories Ford owned, and WINNING a settlement)...

    Meanwhile, McDonalds, Pepsi, Oracle, have pulled their companies from Russia.
    I think that is the world STANDING UP against Russia, UNLIKE ANYTHING done to Hitler.
    Didn't Hitler have some Olympics? You think if Russia had the Summer Olympics, ANYONE would show up?
    [IMO, Hitler was sponsored and supported by the Globalists! Just like Ukraine is today! Could Russia be standing up Against a Modern Day Hitler? Who also started by killing his own citizens... Those unclean Russians in Donbass?] (Perspectives Matter)

    I do NOT find your comparison to be FAIR... Or to be even Remotely Justified. But I admit my ignorance.
    I would love to see the timeline of aggression of Hitler compared to that of Putin...
    Putin has bee in power for 10 years. I believe Hitler was in power for 6 years, before starting war!
    Again, you may have some understanding I do not. But once Hitler gained power, he created a war machine, and then grew it and used it. Not quite what I think I have seen from Russia. No Blitzkrieg. Willing to talk.
    And has been asking for some time to stop this shit... But getting no air time.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The UN is the problem.
    The US is the problem.
    Us moving our missiles closer to the Russian Border is NOT Putin growing his country.

    I don't think Russia wants Ukraine, if they did, they could annihilate it pretty quickly, and just move in. It seems to me they are trying to not devastate the country and the civilians.

    There is no shock and awe. The capitol still stands!
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  • Posted by Dobrien 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course if you would educate yourself on what you have such a firm opinion about you would understand that Crimea received its fresh water
    From a river that flows through Ukraine . After the Minsk protocol was signed. Ukraine built a dam and stopped the flow of fresh water into Crimea.
    Taking out the dam and letting the water flow again like it did for thousands of years was one of the first things the Russians did in the operation.
    Of course you would suggest the UN peacekeepers ...

    Starving children 'as young as NINE forced to give UN officials oral sex to get food'.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/....

    This same thing happens almost everywhere the UN “Peace keepers “ deploy.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yet, Lincoln is supposedly a hero because he "saved the union".
    What utter hypocrisy by those who decide what propaganda becomes true history.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    If there werent so many parallels betseen Putin and Hitler in terms of their acquisition plans and strategy, I wouldnt be so concerned. The world didnt stand up to Hitler when he was not so powerful, but by the time the world DID stand up to him, he was very powerful and whats left of us would damn near be speaking german today if Hitler had gotten the bomb first.

    Same thing with Putin. He has publicly stated his desire to rebuild russia back into the soviet union one way or another. And this ukriane thing seems to be a result of his willingness to just take it from anyone he can.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for the response. It does seem strainge that if Russia was just annexing crimea according to a pre arranged agreement, why does Putin NOW want Ukraine to officially agree that crimea now belongs to russia- as part of a cease fire proposal.

    I somehow dont think there is another agreement covering eastern ukraine belonging to russia that you mentioned. And certainly not one covering the entirety of ukraine. Putin just WANTS to get the whole country because he FEELS like its his. Obviously, the people of ukraine done seem to want to be under russian rule *they are willing to fight and die to prevent that"

    Governments on both sides are shit. Maybe the russians should withdraw, and the current ukrainian government withdraws, and maybe something like the UN sends in peacekeepers until some sort of vote can be had.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    we manufacture items that are sold primarily to industrial customers all over the world. We buy components and subassemblies from many countries, including china and the USA.

    I might add that you most likely buy a lot of stuff that is made in part or in its entirety in china, so dont get uppety.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    just like the Investigation into Trump was about SILENCING/THREATENING the people who knew what happened... And protecting them. (How many HRC people got plea deals for nothing? Pure immunity handed out like M&Ms).

    This is used to threaten/destroy those who helped Trump and Giuliani and to make sure NOBODY does that again!

    The big picture is key. We have friends who were in Serbia. Why did some hospitals/schools get hit by the US going after Milosovich? Because as the military targets were taken out, the PEOPLE grabbed the monitions, etc. and MOVED THEM to Schools/Hospitals THINKING they would be safe. This was said to me by a Serb who DID NOT support Milosovich! She was literally there when the people were agreeing to do this. Only when these places were later hit, did they realize the ignorance of their decision. They made these places military targets. She said "In the moment, without foresight or past experience... It seemed like an easy choice to make!"

    hmm... How much we don't know.
    Now, I cannot say this is happening in Ukraine, but I know of at least ONE report where snipers were on top of one of the Hospitals and were using heavy equipment rockets to hit the Russian convoy. Russia returned fire to the source! oops. A hospital. No worries, PLENTY of press coverage about ONE SIDE of the situation (hence the Palestine Reference in another post)
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    First, term2, Putin Did NOT take over Crimea!

    This is FAKE NEWS, the USA Spreads.

    It was written into the agreement when the USSR broke up, that should it be called for... There would be a Vote, of the Crimeans, as to whether they STAY with Ukraine, or they Re-Join Russia.

    And it was made clear that the Russian Naval/Army personnel living there would be allowed to vote.

    And that VOTE WAS HELD. And it was like 86% in favor (I forget the actual number), of belonging to Russia, and separating from Ukraine.

    I do NOT call that "Taking Over". This is like our situation with P.R. (lets assume they had a clause to allow them to vote to go back to being Property of England"), and that vote was held. They choose. WOULD YOU ACCUSE England of taking them over?

    So, strike that one from your argument (it is also, Russia's only access to vast amounts of the ocean without being "tracked/monitored", which is why it was written into the agreement!)

    Now that leaves you taking issue with "not first hand experience, but REPORTING"...
    Again, I know Ukrainians, and Russians living in Ukraine, and outside of Ukraine.
    The picture is MURKY even for them.

    In the last 30 years... Which of the 2 countries have killed the most civilians in other countries?

    We are being FED MISINFORMATION. And we have to be wary of it.

    Yes, I wish this could be done peacefully. But the GLOBALISTS control Ukraine, and HATE Russia/Putin. If you can begin to see this... You start seeing the chess pieces being moved.

    I don't want to defend Putin. I want to defend the Truth. Crimea Voted. That's Truth.

    Why is this happening now, and not under Trump?
    Because Trump would have REFUSED to help Ukraine pull this shit.
    And that's why we sent BLANKETS.
    Arming the Ukrainians is part of the problem.
    Not knowing the facts leading up to these events is part of the problem.

    Listening to the News Media Lies about how it started IS 99% of the problem.

    Yes, I wish NOBODY was being shelled.
    But it LOOKS/FEELS a lot like Ukraine=Palestine, and Russia=Israel from a STORY telling point of view...
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  • Posted by Dobrien 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Didn’t you make your lining off of Cheap Chinese labor? What league does that put you in?
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    If Putin didnt take over crimea, and didnt stop at the so called atrocities of the ukranians in the eastern part of ukraine, I could feel a bit different about putin and russia. BUT, given that he is attacking the entire ukraine country and bombing the whole thing and causing millions of residents to flee, it just looks like Putin is a very evil person and russia is too (seeing as though a lot of the citizens support him).

    Its a terrible thing that people cant seem to just respect each other's rights and get along. One could easily conclude that without objectivist thinking, human nature is pretty bad.

    I am very hard pressed to acknowledge any country actually is intellectually consistent in respecting human rights. They just fall somewhere on a scale from good to bad, with the USA drifting rather quickly towards the bad end. Russia today is probably in the league with Hitler actually, and China is not far behind. If China invades Taiwan, they get to be buddies with Hitler too.
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