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A glimpse of America’s social credit score future? Moscow residents are blocked by Apple and Google from buying necessities. This is the future with any digital currency.

Posted by freedomforall 5 months, 1 week ago to Technology
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"Russians attempting to use Apple Pay and Google Pay found that their access had been blocked, causing chaos in the Moscow Metro system.

Irish journalist Jason Corcoran tweeted the following image, which shows long queues at the Moscow metro station after both payment systems stopped working for Russians.

“Apple Pay and Google Pay no longer work on Moscow’s metro system, leading to long queues as people fumble about for cash,” tweeted Corcoran.
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“Giving the keys of our lives to companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon and the digital world is the biggest mistake for mankind,” remarked one respondent to the story.

In a related story, domain service company Namecheap has also banned Russians from using their service."
SOURCE URL: https://summit.news/2022/03/02/apple-google-payment-systems-block-russians-causing-chaos-in-moscow-metro-system/


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  • Posted by mccannon01 5 months, 1 week ago
    This is an incredibly important lesson being taught right now! Do you think Americans will get it? Nope!
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    • Posted by davidpbj 5 months, 1 week ago
      Agreed, everyone seems to want to keep "reinventing the wheel" and then wonder why these predictable things keep happening.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 5 months, 1 week ago
        I'm old fashioned enough where I still go to the bank (teller not ATM) to get cash and then use cash to pay for nearly everything needed for everyday life. I see the day coming where I won't be able to buy a six pack and a bag of chips without a plastic card of some kind. These articles make me realize what a horrible day that will be.
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  • Posted by bsudell 5 months, 1 week ago
    Russia? Why worry about Russia? It is alive and well in the United States. My email got cancelled because someone made a mistake and cancelled it month before it was scheduled to expire. Okay, I had planned on changing to Proton Mail anyway, so I went to sign up for Proton Mail. Sorry, your debit will not allow you to purchase Proton. Called the bank. Hey, whenever I go skiing I have to call and tell you that I will be using my debit card in a foreign country, so I guess that must be the problem. Nope, the bank says you cannot use your debit card for a purchase in Switzerland. Why? If I were the bank president or vp, I will tell the credit card company I was no longer going to use them because they are not servicing my clients. So, now I have to change banks. Get ready for it people; it is already here.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 5 months, 1 week ago
    I’m literally on the verge of going Luddite. It wouldn’t take much more. After the last of the 3rd generation to hold our family land kicks the bucket the plan is to give it to 5th (we are the 4th) and leave to somewhere more conducive to Freedom of Thought, Word and Deed. And live simply. With cash. Preferably non-debased.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 5 months, 1 week ago
    To be CLEAR: This is the future with a CENTRAL BANK Digital Currency.

    If people were using Peer-to-Peer Payment systems (Digital Wallets), this COULD NOT HAPPEN.

    This, my friends, is the ARGUMENT FOR Digital Currencies, not against them.

    This is an argument against "CENTRAL BANK DIGITAL CURRENCIES" (CBDCs)... Yes, those must be avoided.

    Benjamin Franklin (I believe) was the one who suggested we write our own scripts (became checkbooks).
    Digital Currency is simply Checkbooks, in which your checks CANNOT BOUNCE. I cannot sign and send you transaction to you that would fail.

    Please do NOT confuse what TPTB are trying to SELL you. If you do not have CENTRALIZED CHOKE POINTS, you cannot get choked out.

    Everyone should consider at least having a digital wallet with a small amount of cash put into it. Enough, like with Gold and Silver, to learn how it works. To learn how it feels. (I am amazed when I hold GOLD and SILVER coins, how heavy they feel). But I don't know how to shave off $50 worth of Gold from a 1 oz coin.

    This is why satoshis exist (Smallest increment of a BTC. It is 10e-8 of a BTC, which is about 10,000 of a PENNY. So it is divisible. And when our USD drops by 10,000 ... A Satoshi will be a penny in Value. LOL.

    Anyways, agree that CENTRALIZING power is bad. Turning off peoples ability to buy/pay for things is bad.
    And learning ways to work around this stuff is important!

    Decentralized is power/freedom. It is a DIGITAL GULCH... And I struggle to find ways to explain it to the Gulch!
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 5 months, 1 week ago
      You're talking about theory versus reality. Cryptocurrencies will be controlled using the same methodology as YT. The major CC are already moving toward centralization - see the exchanges for example, and how they are working to interface with the existing finsys.

      That aside they have another major issue, that of reliance on electronics. When "Shit Hits The Fan", those with resources will not be using these systems. We'll "revert" to tangible, physical goods and representations of them as our currency. As any technical society falls, the reliance on "technical" systems false as well. We've seen this even with such things as gold, when usable metals overtake them in value and are used as the exchange, or when salt was a currency.

      When the vast, vast majority of transactions have to go through the existing systems, they are severely vulnerable. They are vulnerable because they rely on that system, and those that do not "comply" will be regulated out, rendering them useless.

      Consider all the places over the last year that no longer accept cash or checks as the example. A currency only carries value if it can be used as a medium of exchange for value. Without that, it has no value. If a store doesn't accept $CURRENCY, then $CURRENCY has no usable value. You can have a thousand dollars but if the sellers won't take dollars, you've got nothing.

      In order to be fully separate you have to have an entire supply chain that accepts that currency; from start to finish, radishes to terminal. Otherwise the vulnerability exists.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 5 months, 1 week ago
        Your points are valid. But when the digital age is gone... There will be no bank accounts, and no credit cards, and no CBDCs either...

        But that is NOT the goal of our overlords... They want the Chinese system. It is up to us to prevent that.
        We want FREEDOM, and that comes at the price of fighting for it.

        Honestly, without electricity, or the network connectivity, life will certainly change. But in all of our recorded history, I don't see that we have EVER stepped back that far.

        Mankind has a desire to be connected. It's the "being controlled" we have an issue with.

        Yes, they will control the choke points. But once you stop converting your Crypto in/out of USD/CBDC... You no longer need those connections. But it requires technology. Something I think we will have in the future.

        The challenge is that EITHER government forces us to comply at gun point, or they will lose control.
        They have NO RIGHT to just take our property, or deny us the ability to make a living.
        I truly believe that INCOME Tax is UNJUST and a form of slavery!

        I hope to live to see the day that the government is reduced to what it should be.

        But as people start exiting the banking system, they are going to hold something.
        FWIW, now that Zelle is popular among the kids... The IRS is making them send 10-99s next year to anyone who received more than $600... So that they have to declare it with the IRS and show it is income and pay tax on it... The younger generation is quite upset about this...

        Change is coming... I have a little bit of everything...
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        • Posted by 5 months ago
          re: Zelle, "a private financial services company owned by the banks Bank of America, Truist, Capital One, JPMorgan Chase, PNC Bank, U.S. Bank and Wells Fargo"

          Again,the evil bankster cartel in control. Federal law (passed by corrupted bankster puppets) makes competition nearly impossible.
          Regardless of technology, that will continue as more anti-competitive ('anti-dog-eat-dog') laws are passed by traitors to protect banksters.
          I agree that people must found their own system of exchanging value-for-value and starve the existing corrupt system.
          Whatever the people do, laws will be passed to make them 'criminals' for doing it.
          Unconstitutional laws should not be obeyed.
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    • Posted by 5 months, 1 week ago
      "But I don't know how to shave off $50 worth of Gold from a 1 oz coin."
      That's what the silver coins are for. ;^)
      I agree that decentralized system with many currencies is a better system, but the access is controlled by the wrong people, imo.
      So what will you do when the internet access to the digital currency is blocked, (like the rt.com site was blocked a few days ago) ?
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 5 months, 1 week ago
        Honestly, they usually block EITHER the DNS, or they block specific IDs.

        In a decentralized system, I just have to find the IP address of a miner, and hit them.
        In a "high trust" environment (where you know the person paying you), you can take an offline payment and apply it later when tools allow you to find an unblocked IP to push it through.

        But overall, it's MUCH harder to shut down EVERY BTC miner this way. And when the miners realize they are shut down, they reconnect under new IPs. It becomes a much harder game for the people trying to block access. And once you get something through, these guys can propagate the message.

        BTW, it's just like the internet, and email. There are multiple paths, which makes it hard to shut down.

        It becomes more like using the dark web... But realize they cannot shut down the dark web. With all their power and control...

        But they can make it harder...

        ALSO, this is where WEB 3.0 comes into play. Where you and I can be anonymized behind a "number" (Our Public Key Address), which guarantees it is us, and then our access is allowed to a PAID DNS server, that serves up the encrypted details of addresses, in a decentralized way. Imagine trying to take away my DNS address when I have it permanently stored on a BlockChain linking my servers, that I can update in near real time. That is basically here.
        But even better, imagine that for PAID subscribers, I can encrypt my server IP, and only they can find it. This is NOT there yet, but will be. Then when THAT IP gets blocked, you know who ratted you out!

        We are behind the gun on a lot of this technology. But it is coming. When it is finally here. Everything will be decentralized. I am looking into joining a decentralized VPN System, where my bandwidth is shared with others, to SHARD our traffic. My cost is based on how much MORE bandwidth I consume than I provide (plus a fixed small fee).

        Finally, I am forcing myself back to the Linux world, and I am working on de-googling phones, etc. It may take years, but I PROMISE to be a FORCE for good!
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  • Posted by mccwho 5 months, 1 week ago
    Frankly I feel that we need to do more for impact of the Russian economy. The more people are impacted the more likely they will depose Putin. Once that madman lunatic (Czar want-to-be) is a ghost or in jail. Then we can help the people of Russia recover.
    I am guilty of over using digital markets. But I also have a lot of money tied up things that have intrinsic value. Intrinsic value is the only way to keep your money safe. It always survives market crashes and devaluations of paper.

    I do strongly agree with the article. Sometime we don't realize how much power we put into the hands of other for sake of a convenience in our lives. The Amish may be right in the long run.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 5 months, 1 week ago
      I could not say if Russia needs a regime change or not. Most info I have about Putin comes from serial liars and crooks, so.... I can say it is a moot point if we don’t have a regime change here in the US. These criminal coop SLGPC pigs need to be slaughtered. Keep in mind those same Cabal scum say Putin is a cog in the gear to a new world order. To correct the vermin it is a Nazi world order.
      Witness Canada, anyone remember 2 weeks ago?
      Any complaints from the ruling class on Castrudeau’s dictatorship?
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      • Posted by 5 months, 1 week ago
        Hillary, Obama, and Buydem have to hate Russians.
        They have been falsely blaming Russians and Trump for everything that curtails their unconstitutional power.
        My view is: if Hillary hates it, then it must have good points.
        Hillary and the rest of the Deep State are my enemies.
        The enemy of my enemy is likely my friend.
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    • Posted by CaptainKirk 5 months, 1 week ago
      I think the Amish are right in many ways...

      I also think you might be buying the MSM narrative on Putin.
      Watch this SHORT video about how WE are putting our military bases closer to Russias Border.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hIl...

      FWIW, the location of Moscow should be a little bit higher in the video.

      Regardless. My Russian friends speak of 16,000 dead in Donbas region in the last few years that the media does not want to talk about. About how they are being persecuted in those areas by the Ukranians. (Somewhere between the left and the right, the truth lay... Grasping it's last, and IGNORED breath, LOL)...
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      • Posted by $ Dobrien 5 months, 1 week ago
        Yes crickets from the “ kindler , gentler Party” about Soros/ Kolomoisky brown shirt neoNazi anti-fa gestapo’s genocide. This evil shit just goes on and on . Hopefully the bad guys are the 🎯.
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