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Baseball Bat Fight In Bakery Over Masks Ends In Arrests - YouTube

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Asked to leave, but instead bent on proving a point to post it on youtube to be an 'influencer'.

SOURCE URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuEkVeX6CNo


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    Posted by freedomforall 4 weeks ago
    I agree with 25n56il4. Craziness. Oregon seems to have more than their share. I thought they decided to defund police.
    If you don't like the rules of the store, then don't do business with them. Your 'safe space' is somewhere else.
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    • Posted by Misanthropic-Shrugger 3 weeks, 6 days ago
      Not so much greater Oregon as Portland. For some reason, thirty years ago, Portalnd started attracting loonies, dropouts, drug adled Gen X'ers, and more of those types. Then the liberals took over the government and doubled down on stupid. The homeless have utterly wrecked the parks in Portland. They have become militant. And still, the free food trucks show up twice a day to make sure they're all well nurished and ready to assualt / mug people, the next day.
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    Posted by mccannon01 4 weeks ago
    I think all this mask wearing is BS and forcing it is even more BS. Additionally, I think this was a setup to irritate the business owner or why else would the camera be rolling before they even walked in the door? I also wonder if prior attempts by the maskless couple to do the same to other business owners didn't create a confrontation worth recording so we don't know about them. I think the business owner here is a paranoid imbecile regarding mask wearing, but I side with her decision to set simple conditions for entering her establishment. Her fearful mentality is a product of the MSMM and Neo Communist propaganda and prodding her like this is in poor taste and, as can be seen, may be dangerous. Would the maskless couple go around prodding strange dogs and expect not to get bit? I think not.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 weeks ago
      People who have a skewed value system and I suspect a self entitled attitude are trolling a small business owner. That is on display here. Masks are virtually worthless and likely harmful.
      Side thought ,weird how the corrupt technocrats are so good at Unmasking (Husseingate) and masking(FauciGates) and in both cases a Gate was complicit.
      They thrive on the public’s fear.
      I have gotten old and tired of calling it fearporn but..... that’s what it is. Right now I think a lot of fear is being felt by Durham’s targets.
      The business owner may have been mentally weakened by a reduction in fresh air , due to her mask. That said I didn’t watch after they started wrestling for the bat.
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  • Posted by MildBill 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    She owns the business and all it’s non-tangible fulfillment activities
    Who ever challenged her on her property should be considered a barbarian.
    She should be able to sell, employ, offer compensation as she sees fit.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    Craziness! Insanity!

    The two people who felt challenging an enraged women wielding a baseball bat showed that they were clearly a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Would they have been so bold, had she pulled a gun? After all, the owner could claim she was in fear for her life (from Covid infection). Remember the cop who was spit on by the AIDS infected man he was arresting?

    We, in the mask-free community, really don't need people like this as our spokespersons. I hope they enjoyed their time in jail and associated fines.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    The mask-less couple are a literally a couple of trouble-makers -- agitators -- they are Maskholes and do no service to the rest of us that do not wear a mask -- and also choose to leave other individuals to make their own choices.
    The business owner can refuse service to anyone, for any reason. Good on her for having the baseball bat.
    The masks are essentially useless -- a component of virtue signaling -- and are potentially harmful in terms of restricting proper respiration.
    The whole damn social engineering crap is getting old -- it is divisive, as designed, and is working in context of those who insist on arbitrary mandates for the creation of a compliant population.
    I am reminded of Palpatine's statement near the end of Star Wars -- Return of the Jedi "Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design."
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 4 weeks ago
    The lady bakery owner proves our point. All this crap is making people crazy! I needs to stop!
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    • Posted by 25n56il4 4 weeks ago
      That bakery lady said she could use force...yeah but I think a baseball bat would be 'deadly force'. Not allowed!
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      • Posted by $ 4 weeks ago
        Disagree. Two people against one. If they don't listen a bit of intimidation is in order they could easily overwhelm her and cause her harm, or killer her. Her mistake was attempting to prod the other woman. She lost her bat.She should have kept them at bay while she called the police to have them charged with trespass.Hindsight is 20-20. In the moment those two intimidated her (her mask says she's already predisposed) and she strengthened herself with aluminum.
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        • Posted by $ Commander 4 weeks ago
          She cannot charge them with trespass. US Title 52 the business is defined as a place of "public accommodation". Under US Title 42, Sec. 12101: Unlawful to deny entry to persons with disability or perceived medical condition. The "owner" has impersonated a medical officer and has impersonated a public officer. The cops violated Title 52 and 42 and medical officer. US Code cannot be superceded by state or local, even under "Emergency" conditions.

          I've done what the two "patrons" have done on numerous occasion. I carry the Fed and Wis State statutes with me when I think there may be a "challenge". I ask the person opposite me to read the statutes. I record the reading. If they are still in disagreement I ask them to call law enforcement as I need another witness to corroborate as evidentiary in order to file a legal injunction against the business. Still have not seen a cop. And then, I don't live in a place that is batshit crazy either.
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          • Posted by $ 3 weeks, 6 days ago
            Neither of the two appeared disabled so how does those statutes apply? Because she's wearing mask does not mean she's impersonating a medical professional, only that she herself is afraid of being infected. In this irrational country her wearing a mask means drone mentality more than faux professionalism. As its her business, she would be entitled to require a mask to shop her establishment, if that was the depute, just as she can deny service for no shoes and/or no shirt, no?

            I don't agree whatever with her mask wearing or the condition that others wear masks in her presence/store, but it is her establishment and they could simply leave to go somewhere else for the same goods/services.

            As I said when I posted, I think they manufactured this event simply to enhance their "influencer" status of youtube moreso than making any statement on rights. The couple could have just as easily went outside and called the police from the sidewalk to get the owner/teller in legal trouble, no?
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            • Posted by $ gharkness 3 weeks, 6 days ago
              " I think they manufactured this event simply to enhance their "influencer" status of youtube"

              Yep, bingo. No matter the statutes - won't even argue them....THIS is the reason they did it. (edited spelling typo).
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              • Posted by 25n56il4 3 weeks, 6 days ago
                Gotta tell you Commander, this was an eye opening Post. Congrats. Gotta share with you. I served on 3 Grand Juries. On one two women got in a fight. One had a knife, the other a gun. The police arrested the one with the gun. I argued the knife was a deadly weapon and I wanted the knife weilding one arrested also. The GJ agreed.
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            • Posted by $ Commander 3 weeks, 6 days ago
              ADA 36.105 Definition of “disability.”
              (a) (1) Disability means, with respect to an individual:
              (i) A physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of such individual;
              (ii) A record of such an impairment; or
              (iii) Being regarded as having such an impairment as described in paragraph (f) of this section.

              (b)
              (1) Physical or mental impairment means:
              (i) Any physiological disorder or condition, cosmetic disfigurement, or anatomical loss affecting one or more body systems, such as: neurological, musculoskeletal, special sense organs, respiratory (including speech organs), cardiovascular, reproductive, digestive, genitourinary, immune, circulatory, hemic, lymphatic, skin, and endocrine; or
              (ii) Any mental or psychological disorder such as intellectual disability, organic brain syndrome, emotional or mental illness, and specific learning disability.
              (2) Physical or mental impairment includes, but is not limited to, contagious and noncontagious diseases and conditions such as the following: orthopedic, visual, speech and hearing impairments, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, intellectual disability, emotional illness, dyslexia and other specific learning disabilities, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Human Immunodeficiency Virus infection (whether symptomatic or asymptomatic), tuberculosis, drug addiction, and alcoholism.
              o (3) Physical or mental impairment does not include homosexuality or bisexuality.


              (f) Is regarded as having such an impairment. The following principles apply under the “regarded” as prong of the definition of “disability” (paragraph (a)(1)(iii) of this section):

              (1) Except as set forth in paragraph (f)(2) of this section, an individual is “regarded as having such an impairment” if the individual is subjected to a prohibited action because of an actual or perceived physical or mental impairment, whether or not that impairment substantially limits, or is perceived to substantially limit, a major life activity, even if the public accommodation asserts, or may or does ultimately establish, a defense to the action prohibited by the ADA.

              (2) An individual is not “regarded as having such an impairment” if the public accommodation demonstrates that the impairment is, objectively, both “transitory” and “minor.” A public accommodation may not defeat “regarded as” coverage of an individual simply by demonstrating that it subjectively believed the impairment was transitory and minor; rather, the public accommodation must demonstrate that the impairment is (in the case of an actual impairment) or would be (in the case of a perceived impairment), objectively, both “transitory” and “minor.” For purposes of this section, “transitory” is defined as lasting or expected to last six months or less.

              In a nut shell
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  • Posted by CTYankee44 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    Meh. Two wrongs don't make a right. But the store owner started the conflict with the chalk sign.
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    • Posted by $ 3 weeks, 5 days ago
      It is her place of business. The fact they knew her conditions for entry makes their actions per-meditated. They do not own the establishment or have any vested interest in its success.

      Objectively, I would think OWNERSHIP matters.
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      • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 3 weeks, 5 days ago
        Except she’s probably a communist. Soooooo........
        Additionally, based on her desired paradigm, the sign represents HATE speech. And we’ve been told over and over that we must confront HATE head on. And words hurt now. 😢
        (Yes I’m being sarcastic.)
        I give the owner 2 points for being willing to defend her convictions.
        And the couple 2 points for being willing to confront a maniac.
        It’s a Win-Win!
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    • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 3 weeks, 6 days ago
      You say the owner started the conflict, with her sign.

      To be fair, what if the owner put a "Let's Go Brandon" sign out front, and two Biden supporters accosted her...?
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      • Posted by CTYankee44 3 weeks, 5 days ago
        Apples & Oranges comparison.

        The shopkeeper made a distinction based solely on the appearance of the 'customer'.

        I don't recall any stores barring patrons simply because they were wearing an Obozo 'Change' tee-shirt. And that's in spite of ample evidence that the wearers of those particular tee-shirts wear many times more likely to be perpetrators of armed robbery than their more recent MAGA-hat wearing counterparts!

        And while I agree that ownership does matter, her remedy was to refuse to serve the pair and to actually call the police if she believed she was in the right. Nothing the pair did warranted a threat of physical violence with a baseball bat.
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        • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 3 weeks, 5 days ago
          Isn't barring certain patrons a distinct right that we, in The Gulch, solidly defend for business owners?

          As for your last paragraph, I am in total agreement.
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          • Posted by $ 3 weeks, 5 days ago
            I think the bat was brought in because they refused to listen to reason. At that point the woman, apparently alone, felt anything could happen and sought to assert a degree of 'respect' to the two troublemakers by evening the odds. Unfortunately for her she got too close and lost the advantage.

            A visible threat is intimidation, just as two unruly people are seeking to intimidate. Force? More like coercion through intimidation.

            I don't see much about the store owner that I care for, but it is her establishment. Her house, her rules.

            If those statues Commander posted apply then it is a law that's run amok. They didn't need to be there. They could have shopped elsewhere. When asked to leave they could have, and avoided all conflict and the consequent arrest. The only loss by them not being in that store was financial and that was to the owner.
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          • Posted by CTYankee44 3 weeks, 5 days ago
            Well, yes, and no. I 100% agree that a person or a business has the fight to refuse to enter into a 'binding contract with negotiated specific performance' with any other entity for ANY reason whatsoever.

            However, a shopkeeper has essentially forfeited certain aspects of that right by opening a venue to the public. A retail establishment is an open 'offer-to-tender' and what that means in our society is that the business shall not discriminate against a customer based on any number of overtly displayed characteristics, e.g. race, creed, sex, religion, disability, and a host of other 'protected classes' (some of which I agree with others that I do not).

            Can you imagine a Jewish establishment refusing to serve a patron because the customer didn't have a yarmulke and refused to wear one?

            Because that's literally the most apt comparison I can make. The hyper-maskers are operating on a belief that the mask will protect them.

            In this video we didn't even see the pair of troublemakers do the equivalent of something deeply sacrilegious, except try to explain to the shopkeeper that she had an obligation to serve the public by virtue of her having an open for business retail establishment.

            If she were adamant, she could have said "I'm closing the store right now, you must leave." Then her argument would have carried a lot more weight. Because in that case the pair would have been interfering with the owners conducting of HER business!!!
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            • Posted by $ 3 weeks, 5 days ago
              Posting your policies prior to entry is the exception. A patron, with a myriad of options to go elsewhere, has foreknowledge of the stores policy and can choose to spend money elsewhere. No one HAS TO shop in any or all stores, and there are other options.
              "No shoes, No shirt, No service. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason."

              "a shopkeeper has essentially forfeited certain aspects of that right by opening a venue to the public."

              Nonsense. What forfeit is a portion of your wealth to the city, state and other municipalities; all dependent on your success as an owner. The only harm that comes from the owner setting a policy to enter and shop is that the owner loses money should the potential patron choose not to shop there, but the city and state still get paid regardless. Neither the patron, nor the city, nor the state own the business nor do they stand to suffer anything by it not doing well The choice is theirs where to shop. Usually for a business turning people away is a self inflicted wound.

              I wonder what Reardon would say about this?
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              • Posted by CTYankee44 3 weeks, 5 days ago
                you wrote: "Posting your policies prior to entry is the exception."

                OK, let's say I agree. What's the legal definition of a "maskhole"? I for one, would not take such a posting seriously, it's more like a joke.

                What is the sign read: "No Hymies" Would that be perceived as anti-Semitic or as an inside joke that Dick Gautier & Patrick Warburton are not allowed to to robot jokes?

                Please don't talk to me about the Gulch, it's a fictional setting. This was a real world encounter, it ended badly.

                We are on the edge of a slippery slope. The government cannot adopt general prohibitions against the unmasked without significant pushback. So they recruit Ignorant Zealots aka Useful Idiots like the shopkeeper to do the dirty work.

                Again, I think all parties involved were wrong in one or more ways. I'm not defending anyone, but I am trying to defend everyone. We cannot allow the thin veneer of civilization to be so easily scraped off. All three went at it with a vengeance and a mission; as wrong as they each were about their motives.
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                • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 3 weeks, 4 days ago
                  But would you be as agreeable, if a shop owner refused to allow people WITH masks, to enter. Banks did it for years.
                  Same goes for "Gun Free Zones". I have yet to see a successful challenge to one of those.

                  The issue you brought up, about minorities (and the handicapped, if you like) was that EVERYONE was banning them and they had NOWHERE to shop. This was wrong, and was addressed with new laws.

                  For me, in the end, this debate makes little sense, when I can simply take my business elsewhere.
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                  • Posted by CTYankee44 3 weeks, 4 days ago
                    I don't believe the debate makes little sense to you.
                    I suspect it has challenged some long standing assumptions.

                    Of course banks and shops were wary about masks. Prior to COVID, there were two types who wore masks. The medically infirm (including the mentally ill), and those wishing to conceal their identity (usually for nefarious purposes).

                    As for Gun Free Zones, well that's a topic for another discussion, but I will say I despise them.

                    But then you NAILED IT; you wrote: ",,, EVERYONE was banning them and they had NOWHERE to shop."
                    And that is EXACTLY why I wrote that the shopkeeper was the one who instigated the fight!

                    The shopkeeper, and so many like her are perfectly content to see the non-maskers have no place to shop, no place to eat, no place to purchase, and no place to live! I'm sure you can extrapolate to there that attitude will lead?

                    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a socialist.

                    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a trade unionist.

                    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a Jew.

                    Then they came for me; and there was no one left to speak for me.

                    -- Martin Niemöller

                    The only difference is that this time it's the Socialists who are coming after the little groups they can carve out of the population.

                    I do hope that makes sense to you. I also hope you always have the freedom to take your business elsewhere. I'll leave you with:

                    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
                    ― Samuel Adams
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    Me dino never would have been arrested or even saw that lunatic's baseball bat.
    Me woulda said something in the neighborhood of "Fine. You just cheated yourself out of making a profit. Also, I'll never do business with this store. Not ever. I'll tell everyone I know about this stupid place also. Have a nice day."
    Reminds me of a convenience food store that knew me so well I could put gas in my car and go inside to pay for it along with a six pack too. One day I just came in for a six pack and was handed a bill for sixteen dollars and something cents
    and accused of putting gas in my car and driving off without paying. I said I had never ever done that. Guy said, :"You have a red car." Me dino said, "I know I have a red car." Guy said, "You have a white dog." Me dino said, "I do not have a white dog." Guy said, "I saw you with a white dog." Me dino said I had been coming to that store for years and years and about ten years ago often wearing the uniform of a corrections officer (only buying beer on my way home, of course).. Then I said "I'm not coming here anymore," left the six pack on the counter and walked out. Me dino has to drive by that store to get gas at a store that also has a really good deli. When I see a certain car parked at the store I shall never ever enter again, I so happily wave!
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  • Posted by chad 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    Didn't expect anything different from the police. It was ruled by the supreme court that the police are here to protect the state, not the public. That is what they are doing. I don't back the blue anymore. When they will arrest mothers in an empty park for not wearing a mask with their children and let cities burn claiming the protests are mostly peaceful it is apparent they support tyranny not freedom.
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    • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 3 weeks, 6 days ago
      The police were backing a private property owner...not a state owned liquor store.

      If it had been my store, I would've call the cops. Had they approached me, I would've pulled my gun.
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      • Posted by chad 3 weeks, 6 days ago
        I also thought they were going too far trying to get the owner of the store to change their mind. If I were requested to leave I would go immediately. However the store owner should have called the police, not pull a weapon and attack.
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